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Is it safe to buy stocks again?

The rally already seems long in the tooth, and no one wants to take more losses. So how do we know when the worst is over? Here are 5 signs the pros are watching.

By SmartMoney

For millions of Americans, watching and waiting are the new day trading -- and the trillion-dollar question is when they'll feel fully comfortable investing in stocks again.

In the U.S. alone, investors still have nearly $900 billion parked on the sidelines in cash, according to Thomson Reuters. The tide finally began to shift this spring, when a bounce in the markets and upbeat forecasts from luminaries such as Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke helped lure some investors out of hiding. Financial advisers say they're seeing a surge of inquiries from clients about stocks.

"It's about 15-to-1 in terms of calls from people who want in versus out," says Tom Hepner of Ruggie Wealth Management. And sentiment among fund managers recently shifted from "apocalyptically bearish to reluctantly bullish," according to a survey by Banc of America Securities-Merrill Lynch.

The key word, though, is "reluctantly." The recent rallies have eased some investors' fears, but it will take a lot more prodding for others to get over the crash of 2008. Although the pros know that historically stocks recover long before the rest of the economy, nobody wants to suffer more losses by getting in too early.

Or, for that matter, too late: Some who missed out on this spring's stock gains now fear that the market has no more gas in the tank. Misgivings such as these explain why pros and amateurs alike are obsessing over their favorite economic indicators -- from "TED spreads" (it's a bond thing) to taxi-line wait times -- as they try to discern if the glimmers of improvement can translate into a lasting recovery. (See "How your undies track the recession.")

With that in mind, SmartMoney polled a slew of economists, managers and strategists to find out which signals will give them confidence that the worst is truly behind us. No single one of these indicators is a surefire green light. While any number of statistics -- such as weekly unemployment claims and surveys of sentiment among manufacturers -- have helped to signal rebounds from the 10 recessions since World War II, few have hit the mark every time. Stephanie Giroux, the chief investment strategist at TD Ameritrade, says that before she utters the words "a new bull market," she needs to see "clear evidence on multiple fronts that the economy is starting to grow again."

For investors still smarting from last fall, waiting for multiple "go" signs has an appealing logic. Before they feel confident about the stock market's risks, they want to feel like the other elements of their economic lives are secure. Here are five things worth watching.

1. Stock market moves

This spring, the Standard & Poor's 500 Index ($INX) rose more than 30%, confronting investors with a familiar conundrum: Was this a sucker's rally or a long-lasting upturn?

To answer that question, some analysts looked beyond short-term price increases to study what they call the market's breadth. Jeff Rubin, the director of research for Birinyi Associates, says that when rallies are broad -- when they involve more than one sector of the economy -- they're more likely to forecast a sustainable bull market and an overall turnaround. Rubin points to rallies in 1975 and 1982 that turned out to be harbingers of the bigger recoveries that followed.

The good news is that this spring's rally was encouragingly broad. According to data from research firm Morningstar, 10 of the 12 main industry sectors saw their stocks rise during that three-month stretch, with sectors such as consumer services, industrial materials and media leading the way. The surge also stands in sharp contrast with an earlier, narrower rally from November through January, which focused mainly on financial stocks and didn't last. If Rubin's historical pattern repeats itself, investors have reason to feel optimistic.

Thinking about breadth can also help investors ride out a downturn. When a stock decline is "narrow," that's good news for stocks. This March, the major stock indexes hit 10-year lows. But as Paul Hickey, a co-founder of money-management firm Bespoke Investment, points out, only 36% of individual stocks reached new lows. That's in sharp contrast with last October, when 80% of stocks earned that ugly distinction.

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The March figure was a sign that, instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water, sellers were making reasonable decisions, company by company, says Liz Ann Sonders, the chief investment strategist at Charles Schwab. And that suggests an absence of panic and a healthier climate for stocks.

Many money managers would rather base their get-back-in decisions on a more traditional measure -- whether stocks in general are cheap. To gauge this, investors often rely on the price-to-earnings ratio, which compares a company's stock price with its profits. But Charles de Lardemelle, a relatively bearish value investor and a manager of the IVA Funds, says the ratio can be deceptive because it doesn't let investors judge profit trends over time. He prefers to compare corporate profits with the U.S. gross domestic product, which measures the total output of the country's economy.

Profits currently stand at 7% of GDP. De Lardemelle expects the figure to get down to 4% before the economy and the market see the potential for a sustained turnaround.

What to watch: stock prices across different sectors of the economy.

Where to get them: Morningstar.

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Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:22:29 AM

On one point:   I don't believe we have seen the bottom in housing prices at all.   Homes were artificially inflated because of all the World War 2 inheritance money.  Most of those folks have now passed on and there will be no more tax free six figure checks coming into the average American household like there was all through the late nineties and early parts of this decade.  Home prices have to come in line with the actual wage conditions here.  I'm not seeing that yet. 

 

Our wages keep declining because of popular support for corporate leaders who export our jobs overseas.  As long as the average American thinks it's really good to destroy jobs here then real wages will keep declining.  I have not seen any Americans getting angry with the corporate decisions being made.  Therefore, exportation of jobs will continue to at an ever increasing rate while we sit passively by doing nothing about it but complaining instead of taking action.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:52:12 PM

Davicitova...I agree

 

Until the true owners of companies, the stockholders, force corporate executives to make necessary changes, nothing will be done. It's not like in prior decades where the owner of the company heeded warning signs. Corporate executives are nothing more than hired thugs of the Board of Directors

Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:13:24 PM

When I attend stockholder meetings, when I read the comments from CEOs and the term "Stockholder", who are these people. Are they people next door? Are they school teachers? Are they Cops? Are they Corporate workers earning a paycheck. If so, how do they influence Corporations?

The fact is, after watching votes cast for proxies, executive Compensation, borrowing money to buyback shares, and determining who board of directors will be is not any power the individual shareholder has. Sixty per cent of votes cast are owned by institutions via Pensions, 401k's, IRA's that buy shares of Corporations stock for the benefit of those 401K contributors. Do they have a vote? Hell no, the Institutions like State Street and others dictate where the votes will go. And the default, if they choose not to vote their shares, go to the board of directors of that Corporation to feather the nest of the Executives.

Individuals have no say except for the handful of people who show up at the annual 100 minute meetings that are moved every year from small town convention centers.

The system needs revamping, one would be allowing the electiion of a stockholder that owns direct shares and eliminate the "power of the Institutional entities that have over 60 percent of the share votes.

When an Executive says "maximize the returns to the shareholder, judging from the stock options and stock awards, they are only talking about themselves and how fast they can sell the stock and translate it into cash.

You are right, until we fix the "institutional control" of Corporations, no individual shareholder has a say except to NOT BUY.

Saturday, July 18, 2009 5:30:27 PM

In 1929 from the bottom of the crash to the top in 1930, the stock market retraced MORE than half of it's loss. You can look it up.

 

This is a SUCKER"S rally in what will end up being the GREATEST BEAR MARKET in history.

Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:44:48 AM
One if not two more big ones coming(crash). Buy on the second bottom you will either get rich from it or loose everything but by then it really won't matter. I would at least wait until this commercial property crash ends,the next bubble should hit at the right time too,Holiday buying season.Sad
Monday, August 03, 2009 6:51:22 AM

...housing-affordability indexes like the one maintained by the National Association of Realtors...

 

Citing the entity with the greatest stake in reinflating the RE bubble is where you lost me.

 

Index monthly rent v. monthly ownership (PITI, maintenence, etc) expenses.  The two are still way out of line--and in some regions, rents are falling faster than house prices.

 

Also, index monthly gross income v. monthly ownership expenses. Again, way out of line. AGAIN, incomes are stagnant or falling--and losing ground to inflation.

 

Housing prices, IMO, have at least another 20% to fall in the regions that experienced the greatest gains in prices during the run-up from 2003 to 2007. Housing tanked in 1989, and didn't stop falling for another 50 quarters. Prices remained stagnant for another 40+ quarters. And the last housing bubble was a mere fraction of the most recent one. Anyone who thinks house prices won't continue to fall until at least 4q 2010 is on the pipe. I don't see a significant rebound until at least 2012-13.

Monday, August 03, 2009 3:37:08 PM

I love how the "Captains of Industries meeting together on TV" are trying to pump up consumer CONfidence. It's like they want the average american worker to buy, even though he no longer has the money to spend; pumping them full of propaganda to buy cars, houses, durable goods, even when we don't need them so that the Banks can keep us in debt, the companies we work for keep us "trudging along on that proverbial hamster wheel to make ends meet", so that we're too busy about our little life while CONgress can con the american public out of  our tax dollars so they can spend it without clarity and accountability. Yeah, I see that stimulus bill really working with only allowing 10% to be spend on 2009. I hears some of it goes to otter research, but only some, most of it goes to international efforts. (That really stimulates our economy)

 

We can reform healthcare...put congress on the same health care program that is proposed for all Americans, and let them qualify for the same benefits of social security instead of their "golden parachute' retirement program they currently receive.

Monday, August 03, 2009 6:23:46 PM
The stock market is a tool for the rich to fleece the poor. 
Monday, September 07, 2009 10:43:54 AM
Consumer confidence is what ever they want it to be at any given time. Just like an analyst report  where friends and family can buy stocks  low after downgrading a stock and purchasing  them before upgrading a stock. It's all ran by insiders that make all the money leaving non insiders to provide all the funding that make them rich. You might as well go to Vegas you will have better odds makers there.Sad
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