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10 idiotic 'investment' ideas

From shares of bankrupt companies to vending machines stocked with gold bars, these are lemons to avoid. Don't pay for lunch with Warren Buffett, either.

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By Kiplinger's Personal Finance Magazine

With so much flotsam littering the investment universe, we usually limit ourselves to pointing you toward the few stocks, bonds and funds worthy of your portfolio. But occasionally there come along new products so hazardous to your wealth that they merit a spotlight all their own.

In our Hall of Shame, we list the most idiotic investment ideas around. Some are gimmicks, others prey on investors' fears, and a few are downright silly.

Single-state stock ETFs

In a pitch to local pride, one promoter is trying to launch exchange-traded funds that track indexes of Texas and Oklahoma stocks. Those states are in better financial shape than most, but in each case the ETF would be dominated by energy stocks. Moreover, why should anyone care whether a producer of oil and gas -- which, after all, are commodities -- hails from Dallas or Tulsa rather than Denver or Dubai?

Two years ago, a different outfit toyed with StateShares. It was the same idea, but on a national basis -- that is, a separate ETF for each of the 50 states. It never came to fruition, and just as well: The wheels would have come off the Michigan fund. The New York portfolio would have gone the way of AIG, Citigroup, Merrill Lynch and the rest of what used to be known as Wall Street. Good businesses just aren't this local anymore.

REITs under lock and key

How can you fathom a real-estate investment that denies you the opportunity to gain from rising property values? In a "nontraded," or private, real-estate investment trust, you pay a fixed price (typically $10) for each unit. You get regular dividends from the income produced by rents from the offices, shopping centers or what have you. But the private REIT units don't trade -- except during certain windows of time when you can redeem them to the issuer on the issuer's terms.

No problem, you may say, given that the shares of traditional, publicly traded REITs crashed during the bear market (along with so many other kinds of stocks). Property values will surely recover, however, and prices of public REITs will rise to reflect those higher values. But private REIT investors get no such benefit unless the trust liquidates -- and even then, double-digit-percentage sales charges and high annual fees will erode the gains. Moreover, many private REITs have suspended all redemptions. That has the regulatory group Finra examining the sale and promotion of these illiquid deals.

Overpriced buffet with Buffett

No offense to the Oracle of Omaha, but the Toronto investment firm that recently won an auction for the right to have lunch with Warren Buffett definitely overpaid. Even a few hours with the Great One isn't worth $1.68 million. Surely, whoever attends from the victor, Salida Capital, will walk away stuffed with folksy Nebraskan wisdom. And Buffett, after all, isn't keeping the money, which is going to charity.

A smarter way to pick Buffett's brain is to buy shares of Berkshire Hathaway itself. With $1.68 million, you could have bought 17 shares of Berkshire's Class A shares (BRK.A, news, msgs) at recent prices of about $95,000 each. And the folks at Salida would have had enough pocket change left over to cover the cost of traveling to Omaha next May for Berkshire's annual meeting, where Buffett normally waxes eloquent for hours about the markets, the economy and his company.

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Currency roulette

True story: One day not long ago, a New York City subway car was lined from end to end with ads for a get-rich-quick trading scheme involving the dollar, the euro, the British pound and luck. To play, you need $2,000, an understanding of all the flashing numbers on your computer screen and the chutzpah to guess when and whether the U.S. dollar will be worth more or fewer scraps of the world's other currencies.

This game goes on all day and all night, so you can wake up that much richer -- or poorer. It's like electronic roulette at a casino, except roulette is undeniably a game of chance, while promoters of currency trading claim that "forex" (foreign exchange) involves skill and knowledge. An expert told us that 90% of those who try this stuff lose money. That's unacceptable for something that's held out as an investment rather than a wager.

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Friday, July 31, 2009 10:17:42 AM
Ooh, I bet Youzi has a nice link set up where we can all leave our SS # for him!  Sarcastic
Friday, July 31, 2009 11:29:10 AM
At least we now know where to buy cheap fake crap on the internet.  Good job spam filter.

Monday, August 03, 2009 7:02:21 AM
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This is what happens when you say the "right" things at the "wrong" time. So much for "Freedom Of Speech"
Monday, August 03, 2009 7:59:54 AM
What has freedom of speech got to do with it? All those comments that were removed contained spam, and most of them were posted by bots. Where have you been?
Monday, August 03, 2009 10:20:43 AM

Item# 1 Though I didn't see comments 1-9 and 12-20, they probably were that Co in China that Illegally advertises their site on MSN blogs DAILY. Praise God they were promptly removed!

 Item# 2 Vending machines are historically a poor investment, and are ALWAYS available separately, in a bunch and or with a route. These can be found new in any money magazine or at any business brokerage. Just for kicks go to youtube, and enter "How to hack a Vending Machine" About 60- 75 video's will pop showing how to get free snacks or drinks out of "ANY" machine all day long. Very entertaining and explains why they are always for sale. Just telling it like it is. 

Monday, August 03, 2009 3:07:23 PM
Just another sad example of what people will do to each other in desperate econimic times. Not sure which is worse the vultures who do this sort of thing to other people or the fact that folks are getting so desperate as to believe in almost anything.
Monday, August 03, 2009 3:08:36 PM
While I agree that Forex trading can be risky, there are plenty of great educational resources that lower the risk to the point Forex can be a safer investment than stocks or commodities.  If you have the dedication to learn the ins and outs (and it's just not that difficult) you can literally make money every single day this market is open.  If you are seriously interested, I'd start with books by Rob Booker and JJ Glenellis.  Both have a unique ability to to simplify the complex and focus on only those issues that really matter.
Monday, August 03, 2009 4:25:10 PM

You may have forgotten THE MOST idiotic "investment opportunity" of all.  Make that multiple "opportunities".  Investing in an at- home "business", (for only $2,000-$8,000), offered by friendly-seeming "team leaders", (really top-notch scam artists), is, of course, the worst "investment" one can make.  The notorious "Moneywayz", "North American Loans", "New Concepts For Success", "TVTravel", and "One-Touch Shopping", (via "InvestmentStrategies.BIZ"), are just a few.  NEVER INVEST A LOT TO MAKE ANYTHING!  If in doubt, be sure to visit: www.ripoffreport.com -- by consumers, for consumers.

Also -- IF EVER INVESTING IN COINS.....STAY A W A Y FROM ATLANTIC COIN GALLERIES of Long Island, NY.  Their coins are NOT certified in ANY way, and come in little cases saying "Coin World" on them -- only! Also,they will NEVER stop bothering you to buy more...and still MORE and M O R E coins!  (One guy only stopped them by getting the police to help.  I just put them on my "do not call" list.)  ALL of these "establishments" act as if, if you don't invest with them, you'll go bankrupt pretty soon.  Just the reverse is the truth!  GET A FRANCHISE, OR WRITE A BOOK, INSTEAD!!!!  God help us.......all of these are the WORST "investments", ever!   Sad

Monday, August 03, 2009 5:24:02 PM

I do not think that the private REITS are in the same category as the rest of these items. If you consider it a long term investment, and you get in a reputable one, it will pay 6 percent dividends per year. You can get out of most of them early for a small fee, (like maybe 9.80 for a 10.00 share), but you would pay a fee to get out of a long term bond  if your rate was lower than the current rates. My REIT was looking like a pretty good investment when the market tanked. Keep in mind they can limit the amount of redemptions per year, as the assets are tied up in RE. If you are looking for diversification, and inflation protection, while receiving 6 percent dividends, it is something to consider; but I would not go over 5 to 10 percent of a portfolio, because they can be illiquid.

Monday, August 03, 2009 6:27:20 PM
Lame
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