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Is alimony in need of an update?

Blogger excoriates women who expect men to pay for everything.

Posted by Karen Datko on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:25 PM

The following story set off a thoughtful rant by “Fabulously Broke”: A judge this year granted alimony to a jobless woman despite the fact that she and her husband had waived any claim to alimony when they divorced 27 years ago.

This turn of events is one of the anecdotes in an excellent Wall Street Journal story about why some lawmakers think alimony laws are sorely in need of an update. (It appears that the economy is prompting more people to seek support from spouses they divorced years ago. We should also note that a large majority of alimony payers are men.)

 

Here’s the core of the WSJ piece:

The nature of marriage has changed dramatically over the decades. Women now make up almost half of the American work force. But alimony, a concept enshrined in ancient law, has remained remarkably constant. Now, the idea that a husband should continue to support his wife forever, even after the demise of their marriage -- long a bedrock of divorce law -- is being called into question. Pressures are mounting to change a practice that some see as outdated and unfair.

Unfair is right, blogger “WellHeeled” said about the alimony award mentioned above, and she produced an example of similar thinking:

“Right now I am receiving unemployment insurance payments because I qualify for them. It doesn’t matter that my parents have the ability to give me $X a month. Can the government go to Mom and say, ‘Oh, sorry, you have to cover WellHeeled’s UI payments because you were her primary caretaker for 18 years, and we don’t really want to pay’”?

Fabulously Broke also thought the alimony award was unfair, and offered that financial dependence of women on men is not limited to older folks. Many of her girlfriends still expect men to pick up the tab.

 

“Some of my girlfriends think that just because they’re girls, they should pay as little as possible. The guy should take care of them. He should pay for all dinners out, all trips, treat them to gifts, spoil them with flowers, all in exchange for being with them,” Fabulously Broke said.

 

She added that men are stupid for letting women take advantage of them like that.

 

“But regardless of who’s taking advantage of whom, the bottom line to me is that it just isn’t fair,” FB wrote. “Barring circumstances such as being a SAHM with kids to take care of, a woman should always have control of her own financial destiny.”

 

What’s your take? There are two questions here:

  • Is alimony a product of a different age that should be amended or even tossed out?
  • Do women -- at least some -- in this day and age still expect men to take care of them? (Good grief. I thought we’d gotten beyond that.)

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Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:45:16 PM
WOW! Some women! I think those women need a slap across the face for crying out loud. I come from a family where my mother raised us and she did a damn good job. Worked her tail off with NO child support or anything because my father was in the army and decided that f**king his step sister was more important than raising his children. I had the honors of meeting him finally and he is a puke just as my mother told me. After he was out of the army he kept switching jobs and moving so that the state couldn't find him. Well there's the way out men. Just keep moving... AND as for child support I think that the man or woman that doesn't have the children living with them needs to cough up half of his income if not more. If the parent were together they would be splitting the bills and the full responsibility of raising that child. Some men are great parents.........others are worthless and bitch becuase they have to pay support. Alimony needs to be out lawed because EVERY WOMAN needs to work. It keeps us sane.
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:19:50 PM
Alimony? I would be grateful just to get the over 20K of child support I am owed! The kids need to eat EVERY day, not just when the state can eek out some support from the dad, and it shouldnt be the state's responsibility anyway. Stop giving the women that hard rap, many of us are sacrificing much to keep our/ THEIR kids fed.
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:18:43 PM
I made the mistake of catching my ex cheating in Florida. She was awarded permanent alimony even though she makes more than me. I live day to day, she lives at the beach.
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:17:21 PM
Of course alimony is outdated and in dire need of revamping or abolishment. We all have responsibilities to our families and children. But a lifetime of support isnt the answer. For heavens sake we are only financially responsible to our children for 18 years. In the modern era most households require two incomes to stay afloat. Then there is question if both are educated and on elected to be a teacher who makes considerably less that the other who is in finance. Is it really the person with the better pays fault?
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:14:55 PM
Most states have "No-Fault Divorce."  If it's no one's fault, why is one spouse penalized by being forced to support their ex-spouse for life?  Transitional Support...Yes.  Help someone get started on their single life.  Permanent, Lifetime Support...No.  Of course you have to allow for disabilities and caring for young children.  Two days ago there was a murder and police killing in Sarasota Florida because of Florida's Divorce/Alimony laws.  (12 years of marriage in Florida gets you lifetime alimony.) This issue needs more media coverage.  Maybe we can encourage people to work, rather than discourage them from even trying.  Please spread the word to every newspaper, magazine, television, and internet media that has the guts to cover alimony.
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:01:50 PM
Alimony definitely needs an update, along with a host of other things that drag divorce court back into the middle ages. Judges almost always assume that a mother makes a better parent than a father, the male makes more than the female, and the female was a better person than the male. My parents didn't get divorced (though they were constantly on the brink of it), but if they had I definitely would have been awarded to the physically and verbally abusive one of the pair...just because she carried me in her womb for 9 months.

As for female entitlement, I always pay for dinners and such because I'm employed and he's in school. But I have seen some spoiled princesses who get offended if their dates don't pick up the tab--it really is duplicitous to cling to "chivalry" while sniping about equality. 
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:48:44 AM

I am not fully aware of the alimony law here in US. But I find it very interesting that the ex husband would pay for for the ex-wife even after years of marriage.

On the other hand, I must say, that I have been witness of so many cases where the husbands do not pay anything for the child support thinking that this money is being spent by their mother. They would go as far as to accept to not see their children because they are not paying the child support. And I must say that this is wrong too.

However, I would not generalize these cases, because they all depend on the parties involved. Both cases are wrong and unfair.

 

BJ

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:37:09 AM

When my husband and I had our first child, we decided I would stop working and stay home to raise the children.  After 18 years of marriage, my husband and I are divorcing.  For me to start back in the workforce, I will be able to earn about $30k.  My husband earns around $150k+.  Do I think I should receive alimony?  Yes.  As we agreed, I stayed home and gave up my career and earning potential, which, by the way, is a choice I do not regret.  But now that we are splitting, I do think he should help to support me and the children for some time.  I enabled him to continue to work (business trips, late nights, etc.) and know that his children were well cared for.  I see what I did as a partnership which allowed his earning potential to increase.  Should he be the only one to benefit from the time I put in (and will still put in, as I will continue to have the majority of child care responsibilities) to the care of the home and children?

 

Yes, I am sure there are situations where the woman is taking advantage of the man, but this is not always the case.  I hope if alimony laws are changed, they do take into account all possible situations, not just the cases where someone is taking advantage of another.   

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:23:52 AM
My most recent ex wife while single graduated with honors with a Bachelors in early adolescent development and a teaching credential. She was motivated and career minded. This is what attracted me to her. Yet once we were married she said as a good "christian" husband it was my responsibility to take care of her. All of her ambition went right out the door along with any respect I may of had for her. Women have developed this idea of a right to entitlement. Soaking a guy for alimony because you haven't the ambition or drive to do something about a financial hardship that YOU put yourself in is an abuse of the system. As in the case with my ex. I pay child support. I'm glad for the child we have and have no problem with helping support him however, she fraudulently filed child care claims increasing my support considerably. It took me a year in court to fight it. I got no reimbursement or compensation for the extra that I paid and she was in no way disciplined for claiming child care costs that she did not incur they simply made it so I no longer paid. Yes the system needs to be revised and when the courts can see a blatant abuse of the system the abusers should be held accountable. Oh and as for the women who think the man is responsible for there well being and just want to stay at home negating the progress of the women's movement in America. Perhaps we should remove your right to vote, or speak in church and the only jobs available to you are teaching and nursing for those to unfortunate to have husbands and children by the time there 16 and undesirable anymore. Think about it women's progression is a good thing but yes it requires hard work...Men have been working hard for years, GET OVER IT
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:27:43 AM

Permanent alimony is indentured (?) slavery - you cannot escape it - it is a lifetime punishment for being a good provider.  I am in my 10th year of paying permanent alimony after a 15 year marriage - and she was only 42 at the time of the divorce!  Alimony prevents the person receiving it from moving on - gettting a career or remarried - because they will give up the goose that laid the golden egg.  I cannot change careers, or consider retirement - because I would not be able to keep up the court ordered payments.  And guess what - every two years she can take me back to court to increase it if my salary or her needs go up - and don't tell me she won't because she already has!  

 

At the very most, the length of alimony should never exceed the years of marriage.  Where else can you get a lifetime pension after only 15 years?  I wish I could get an opportunity like that.  We will look back on these laws in amazement one day, but for now they are ruining lives.

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:17:09 AM
you will always need alimony until the men start having the babies too and staying home to care for them- this is to protect the family and will always be necessary-no matter what a few messed up womans libbers try to give away!!!!!!!!!!! just for fun attend some n.o.w neetings- you  will be horrified  on what they want-abortion up to birth,and even beyond birth if its not perfect[baby]- i went w/ a friend and was horrified!!!!!!
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Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:30:45 AM
The intent of alimony is to prevent disparity of income for everyone involved, most importantly the children.  Two homes cost more to own and maintain.  Everyone, even the children, need to cut back.  The alimony and child support should and needs to be decided on an individual basis. 
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:24:56 AM

We were approaching our 10th anniversary when my wife asked for a divorce. I suggested counseling...she went 3 times and said she put in an effort. I tried mediation...she kept making changes on the fly as to what she was taking. At one point she told me she was entitled to lifetime alimony and didn't have to work because she has ADD (which she's on medication for). After our 2nd child was born she took some time off. When she did go back to work, she purposely sought temp jobs at half her previous salary. I also found out that she had an affair with a guy at one of these jobs, which she denied even after I had proof. Before splitting up, she replaced the majority of her wardrobe, giving away her older clothes so it looked like she didn't buy that much. Through friend and family, I found out that she's been a golddigger all along and that her mother even pulls insurance scams every couple of years. Yet, since we live in NJ, which favors women, I have no chance of full custody, the affair means squat, and I will still have to pay her alimony. The good news is, she was wrong about the lifetime alimony (I had known that) and ADD means nothing (there are brain surgeons with ADD). Warning: make certain someone loves you for who you are, and not what you can give them.

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Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:04:15 AM
In response to the 2nd question...I am married, and the primary breadwinner in my family.  That being said, both my husband and I would prefer that he be able to find a job that would provide a living wage for us so that I could be a stay at home wife (kids are grown).  My daughter and I have discussed on several occasions that were it not for the liberal backing of feminism that  pushed women to work, that the current economic downturn may not have been so detrimental.  In the last 30-40 years we have virtually doubled the workforce by almost forcing women to work.  Could you imagine how low the unemployment rate would be if we were still a society that encouraged men to take care of their families by working (with more higher paying jobs) and encouraged women to stay home and raise their children and provide a better home environment? 
#15
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:51:39 AM
Most of my friends are young professional women who make pretty good money.  Some of them complain much about the discrepancy between men and womens salaries and opportunities, but at the same time these women who supposedly want equal treatment, feel that the man is supposed to buy the drinks, dinners, support the woman, etc etc.  From the women I know most do not want equal treatment, they want to have any extra benefit they can get their hands on.  They like the old society where men support the woman, but at the same time they want to make their own money and not have to share it.
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