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Why are you asking about my salary again?

With some exceptions, asking someone how much they make is a big no-no.

Posted by Ryan MacClanathan on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:43 PM

This guest post comes from J. Money at Budgets Are Sexy.


Are you my friend? Family? Are we helping each other out with our finances? If not, you're probably just making me angry. Unfortunately, I can't even say that with a straight face because I'm naturally happy.

Seriously though, I'm all for open discussions on money, but you can't be a jerk and ask someone how much they make just because you feel like it.

That may sound weird coming from someone who posts up their financial details for all to see, but I really feel there's a time and a place for stuff like this. The same goes for passwords and people's sex lives. Can you imagine if I just straight up ask you how many partners you've had? I'd be a total idiot. In fact, that's exactly how I should respond the next time someone butts in and asks me how much I make: "You wanna know my salary? OK, sure. But first tell me how many girls you've slept with!" That would probably shut 'em up for a bit.

As far as I'm concerned, both parties have to trust each other before dishing out the goods. Just like with sex, there are appropriate and inappropriate times to talk turkey. (On a side note, you're always more than welcome to ask me anything. The beauty of being anonymous is that I can give out my opinion 100% without worrying about who's reading. I might not know the answer, but I'll always do my best to point you in the right direction either way.)

 

So what are these "appropriate" and "inappropriate" times to ask about salaries? Well, keep on reading my friends . . . and keep in mind that these are my own preferences, they may differ depending on who you ask. Appropriate times to ask about my salary:

  • We're in Human Resources. If you're my boss, VP, CEO, or any member of Human Resources, I'll gladly provide you with my salary (although you probably already know it, eh?)
  • We're in a job interview. Ask away! You have the right to know how much I make so you can pay me more.
  • You're my financial adviser/accountant. Obviously this is OK. If not, you'd probably be hiding something.
  • We've been talking about finances and helping each other out. And we're friends. That second part is key. I have no problems at all talking openly with friends and family about salaries. Every now and then people ask for my opinion or what I would do in a certain situation, so in this case sharing my financial background or salary may be important keys to the conversation. In this case, I'd happily give out the details.
  • We're on my blog. Again, it's always cool here. It may not be on other blogs -- especially those who aren't as anonymous, but here it's a wide open door, baby.
  • I asked for yours first. This rarely happens outside of the above situation, but when it does I fully expect to be asked the same or to just give it out first to make both parties comfortable. The only time I can remember really doing this was when I was looking to join a friend's company and needed to know what I was dealing with before heading into an interview. There may be other times too when I was more naive, but regardless if I'm not willing to share my own salary with you, I'll never ask for yours in return.

I think that covers most of the times I'm cool with it. I'm sure others don't mind at all sharing a bit more freely, but again these are just my own opinions. If you're cool with dishing it out, more power to you. Just keep in mind that not all of us are so you don't step on many of our toes.


Inappropriate times to ask about my salary:
  • When we're not even talking about finances. Why would I tell you how much I make when we were talking about The Redskins killing me? What does it possibly have to do with them?
  • When I don't now you. The worst is when someone gets all up in your face with 101 questions about what you make when you wouldn't even tell them your apartment number. People are crazy sometimes. I was once asked how much my paycheck came out to THREE whole minutes after meeting them. Are you serious? Come on now.
  • When we work together. Bosses/HR aside, I know what happens when the guy sitting next to you knows you make more than them (or less for that matter). Everything gets weird and emotions start piling up when the only thing that's changes was a number you told them. No, sir. Been there done that. Try out GlassDoor.com if you have to, maybe you'll get lucky?
  • When we're on the metro/train/plane/anywhere else with hundreds of people around. I might be cool with telling you, but not with all those eyeballs staring at us. I'm pretty shy about that, so please don't force it.

These blunt and direct people actually remind me of those telemarketers who try to get receptionists to transfer them directly over to the CEO. They get so over the top that it stuns you and you give in before you even realize what's hit you. (I was pummeled with these last week when I was answering the phones for a bit. Sneaky, sneaky,)

When all is said and done, I feel there's a right and a wrong way to ask about how much someone makes. Sometimes they'll give it to you, and others they won't. Just please, whatever you do, respect their decision either way. There's no praise in bullying someone out of their lunch money.


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Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:47:01 AM
Two things should be clear - first, that it's rude to persist in questioning people about their own affairs when they make clear they don't want to answer.

BUT -  second - the tradition of salary confidentiality benefits ONE group of people: employers who don't want their employees to have leverage to ask for more money by finding out their colleagues make more money than they do.

What you choose to tell other people is your own business, and you shouldn't be judged or annoyed about it. But remember: the social norm that salary talk is fundamentally rude was NOT created for your benefit. (Unless you're an employer whose pay scales aren't transparent and explainable on demand).

Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:16:15 PM

A couple people mentioned they didn't know why salary disclosure is a big deal.  There are a few reasons, depending on the person.

 

1. Someone could be a little embarrassed by their salary.  Especially if they know all their friends make more.

 

2. In the work place the business doesn't want employee's comparing salaries because then the employee tries to use that as more leverage for raises.  It can also cause negative feelings towards your employer.

 

3. Someone may know they make a lot more and the person asking is likely to ask for money.  In my case, which I am not rich by any means, I know I make more than many of the people I know and I also know that I become the financial back up plan when they figure out I make more and am a saver.

 

To the women...and probably some men, that don't understand the count on sleeping with women.  Seriously? You don't understand?  It's about bragging rights.  "Hell ya I slept with her...and her sister!"   A woman may roll her eyes at that but, most, not all, men will call him names(out of envy) and give him props for it. 

Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:55:23 AM
I don't care what anyone makes, but if you want you can help with the electric bill... And tell everyone your helping with the electric bill for some poor folks down the road.. I'll swear you are paying for everything...
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:59:14 AM
I make just over 100K and have slept with over 100 women but unfortunately never had more than 1 at a time. I guess I'm a s'lut but I'm ok with it. What's the big deal about asking?
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:57:16 AM
Prospective employers have no business knowing your salary history. What do they need it for?

Don't they know how much they pay their employees?

How is it related to your qualifications for the job?

Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:53:46 AM

Reply to Tommy Subway...

 

What does making $47k per year and have slept with 8 people have to do with anything ?

 

Well, since on the subject.  I, certainly, doing much better.

I am 48,  and slept with zero people.  I am electrical engineer and much higher salary.

 

Concerning the article, no ones business knowing your salary.

Are you aware lots of businesses have policy not to disclose salary with other employees ?

 

I don't see the big deal if someone asked me what I paid for house.  I know woman who never gives out information on anything.  Later I told her, on site can view her taxes due on her property, and bank loans taken on house.

In Ohio, it is easy to find information on sites.

 

 

Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:20:29 AM
I recently went with my husband to an old friends place. It was my first time meeting this friend and his girlfriend. Not an hour into the evening and the girlfriend, complaining about the low wages in the small town they live in, flat out asked me how much I make. I was so taken aback that I actually told her. I felt kinda like I'd been groped!
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:57:49 AM

Asking about how much you make is right up there with asking how much you paid for your house!

 

I finally broke down and told one of my friends how much we paid for our house (after she badgered me about it), and now the white elephant in the room is even bigger since my husband and I are WAAAAAY better off then her! (She's single with no college degree in a studio apt, we're married with degrees & good jobs, just bought our 2nd home).

 

The second I told her, I felt like things changed. While I understand that socioeconomics play a role in relationships, sometimes not knowing exactly where your friends and family stand is MUCH better for the relationship!

Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:41:36 AM
I make $47k per year and have slept with 8 people.  Nothing is sacred.  Considering that I have an art degree and I'm only 27.  I'm not doing too bad.
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:34:12 AM
Gross or Net?
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:18:48 AM
I've been tempted to ask a friend what her salary was but I refrain because I know it would make me uncomfortable if she makes more than I do. Or if she makes significantly less than I do.
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:43:54 AM
Unless you can truly be happy for the person...you're better off not knowing.
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:37:11 AM
Well, apparently even bosses don't know what they are paying people since they give ALL the work to one person and not to a counterpart.  Idiots, all of them.
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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:15:46 AM
I had a "friend" like this. She was always wanting to know what I had so she could make sure I wasn't "winning" some competition she'd created between us. It got really old fast and needless to say, I finally defriended her (and told her why, too).
#15
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:33:51 AM
i find it f rude... unless we are in our own conversation about...this is not an ice breaker quite the contrary it makes me uncomfortable, specially if i have rated you a nosy friend....
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