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The Basics

Haggle anywhere -- even at Kmart

Retail prices are a lot more negotiable than you might think. But before you go out and try to play hardball to get a discount, learn the rules of the game.

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By Katherine Reynolds Lewis
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You see an item you want in your local big-box store. The price seems too high. You ask for a discount -- and you get it!

This scenario may seem far-fetched, but expert negotiators say it occurs every day in retail outlets across the U.S. With consumers restricting their spending, store owners need every sale they can close, even if it means accepting a smaller profit. (See "The best time to buy . . . anything.")

"Retailers, particularly a number of the high-end retailers, are in real trouble . . . and they're willing to bargain," said Joel C. Huber, a marketing professor at Duke University's Fuqua School of Business.

That's not to say it's easy to win unadvertised discounts. The art of the haggle is an intricate dance, and you must know the steps before you venture onto the dance floor.

And you have to be willing to ask.

"The thing people don't understand about the retail industry, especially brick-and-mortar stores, is that prices aren't fixed," said Albert Ko, a co-founder of bargain-hunting site CheapCheapCheap.com. "With the economy, it's all about the numbers and getting goods sold. . . . They're willing to listen and work with you."

Really, you have to ask

Americans are notoriously uncomfortable negotiating bargains, said Julie Parrish, the chief executive of Hot Coupon World.

"My dad's from the Middle East, and they haggle for everything. You grow up knowing how to ask," Parrish said. "People are scared. They view it as a confrontation, and it's not. You're simply asking. There is so much leverage in pricing other than the price of a gallon of gas."

You may think you can't negotiate with a mainstream retailer with fixed prices. But even discounters such as Kmart give their stores the leeway to cut a deal if you give them a good reason. That can be as simple as pointing out a scratch or flaw, or bringing in a flier advertising a lower price at a competitor.

Lila Delilah, the founder of Madison Avenue Spy, has found that boutiques offer discounts upon a hint. She was looking at a children's coat that was 30% off and remarked that she saw it for 50% off the previous season. The owner immediately offered an additional break.

"I have a friend that's been walking into every boutique she goes into and asking for the 'recession price.' Amazingly, she's getting 25% to 30% off just by asking for it," Delilah said.

When should you ask?

When you're buying a lot. At Costco, Parrish saw a man taking dozens of packages of baby back ribs out of the display to put in his cart. The manager stopped him and asked how many he wanted. The man ended up buying six cases of ribs at a 10% discount.

Indeed, volume discounts are a key way to save in this economy. If a department manager can move a lot of inventory, he'll be flexible on price.

"They're happy to do it because they get bonuses tied to volume by department," Parrish said.

When the product is on its way out. Stores also like to get rid of all units of a clearance item so the display can be used for another product. Using this knowledge at Walgreen's, Parrish's business partner got about 50 Burt's Bees lip gloss tubes for 50 cents each, down from the clearance price of $1.59 and regular price of $3.99.

Consider the meat department of your local grocery store just before closing time. The manager might prefer to sell the entire display of ground beef and go home, rather than spend 45 minutes wrapping and storing the meat. If you can freeze the beef, either as patties or cooked taco meat, you can end up saving more than $1 per pound.

When you're dropping a small fortune. At high-end department stores, if you spend more than $15,000 or $20,000 in a single visit, you can usually get 20% off the entire purchase, Delilah said.

"Stores that sell Christian Louboutin shoes, you can say, 'These are very expensive. Is there any way you could give me something off?'" Delilah said. "In this economy, everybody's looking to crack a deal. If you're 'spending bank,' there's going to be more flexibility."

When you pay cash. Because merchants can't legally charge extra for credit card payments, the cost of the associated fees is built into every transaction. But they can offer a discount for cash. Ask.

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First, do your homework

The seller is unlikely to accept a deal that leaves no profit. So before you enter the store, check out comparable items online or in the store's competitors. That will give you the range of prices.

Make sure you understand which items have a larger profit margin and which have a shorter shelf life, such as perishables, seasonal clothes and consumer electronics that become outdated. You'll have better luck negotiating if the manager wants to clear the inventory out of the store, said Jim Crawford, the executive director of the Global Retail Executive Council.

At a Best Buy recently, Ko's father wanted to buy a 42-inch LCD television. When they first spoke to the manager, he said he couldn't give a discount. Ko then said he had seen the TV for less on the Internet but wanted to buy it in person and suggested a package deal.

They ended up getting $200 off the television, bringing it under the Internet price, by purchasing a warranty and accessories, both big-margin items.

Jewelry has one of the highest markups of any product category, said Kit Yarrow, a psychology and marketing professor at Golden Gate University.

"Even at mall jewelry stores you can negotiate," Yarrow said. "I don't think I've ever in my life purchased jewelry without getting a discount."

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Monday, June 08, 2009 8:36:38 PM
That might work at some places but what is on the sticker is on the stick and you want it, you will pay what is on the sticker.  We dont hagel the prices ...  Thats like going to a steak place and ordering a steak then asking for it half price after you ordered it.  Doesnt always work.
Monday, June 08, 2009 8:41:04 PM
As a manager at a retail chain that sells appliances, the washer story was funny to me. The funny thing is that most people asking for a discount don't care what condition it is in, they just want it cheap. I had a guy who couldn't understand why I wouldn't sell him the display model for a discount. I told him I had three in boxes ready to go. He said "No, I want that one and I want it 20% off. It has a dent." I told him why would I sell you that one and take another to put on display just so that one can be dented? He swore at me and left. Lol. So the moral is yes, discounts can be had, but bottom line is the store is still going to do what it takes to remain profitable. Stores are not there to run in the red just so you can have a deal. A lot of times I will throw in an extended warranty rather than take money off clearance merchandise. Be nice, but more importantly be reasonable. We are more likely to do something for a reasonable customer than someone who comes in with an agenda and an attitude.
Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:32:21 AM

Hey, some will hagel and some will not. It's all about competition. So some businesses don't have to worry about competitors in their territory? More power to them, but in today's information-filled ocean of the Internet, there are fish looking for deals and will put increased pressure on the "Don't Try It " preachers.

Frankly, I read the comment title itself as a sense of FEAR and believe it to be strongly anti-American but I have news for them! They can ignore my advice if they wish, but they ain't seen nothin yet! Wait til' hyperinflation comes to squeeze them and they'll fold like a cheap wallet, given the circumstances if they refuse to adapt and accept the obvious. Don't even consider trying any "green shoots" nonsense on this gold and silver bug! There shall be many here and abroad in real pain for even a simple Christmas this year when that time comes. COUNT ON IT! Angry

Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:59:29 AM

i  have   read   all  these   comments.

 

are   all  these   people    fools.

this  is  not  haggling.

 

this  is  normal  every  day   commerce.

 

i  am  astounded   by  the  naievety  of   your    commentators.

 

best   wishes  from  oz.

Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:03:38 AM

the best discounts are from employees who are your friends (?).  They usually get 20% which many will pass on to you, and you can share the discount if it is a big ticket item.  Lowes and Home Depo are really great for matching the lowest prices, and they will even give you a further 10% discount if their original price is higher than the competitors.

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Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:24:29 AM
Most of the examples of products purchased "at discount" were for frivolousness items.  So save yourself a lot more money and time and don't bother to buy this useless junk in the first place.  Then you will see some real savings in your bank account.
Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:44:06 AM
I'm in the retail business and one of the least expensive shops in town (meaning cheap) My store isn't fancy but clean and friendly. People come in all the time and don't understand why I can't go any lower on my price. We try to explain why but they'll leave and go to my competitor get a discount but still pay more than if they bought it from me. This I don't understand. I service what I sell , but they say they don't care ... until it breaks. I off an even cheaper price if they'll let me order the item and pick it up when it comes in, But they won't take advantage of it. They'd rather pay 20-35 % more buying elsewhere. I have several customers who won't buy off the shelf. They're smart and will only buy if I order it it for them and they pay up front to get the deep discount. I charge a measly cost + 15% in a market that tries to work on a 40 % margin . That's cost + 66 % markup . You give me that kind of discount I'll wait 7-10 days to get what I want. To them I guess it's the ole "A Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" . Go Figure !!!
Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:49:24 AM
I use negotiating all the time but mostly when purchasing big stuffs but it's always worth a try to bargain for services ;)
Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:57:03 AM
There have been a few stories in the press lately about retailers listening to consumers who are asking for deals. Here's another piece from Dukky with tips on how to use online media to get deals:

http://dukky.com/blog/2009/06/how-to-ask-your-favorite-brand-for-a-deal/



Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:37:49 PM
This is a stupid article!! Department stores are not just going to give you a discount because you want to haggle. This is not Mexico!!
If you want something at a less expensive price go into the store find the product you like. Most stores have lousy store attendants and products are placed over marked prices that are incorrect.. Find the highest priced product mislabeled at the lowest cost and take it up to the counter,...They have to give it to you at that mislabeled  price. If they Don't its considered a bait and switch tactic.. Which is a lawsuit waiting to happen..

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