The new thrifty

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American households are substantially poorer -- and a whole lot thriftier -- than they were when the recession started. Many families are cutting expenses that once seemed hardly worth quibbling over. They're avoiding ATM fees, nixing "extravagances" such as delivery charges and declining to pay extra for more-convenient parking at ballgames and other events.

MSN Money readers have sounded off on our message boards about the things they now go out of their way to avoid paying for. Click through the slide show to see what the top 15 are.

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Oil changes

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Readers are doing more of almost everything themselves. Cooking at home instead of going out is one basic change. Another big project we're taking on? Oil changes.

Oil changes run from $15 to more than $40 at a retailer, depending on the package and the oil used. An at-home change can set you back about $10. (Plus, of course, the cost of your time, for all those economics experts out there.)

The folks who can't do it themselves can keep an eye out for coupons. Chains such as Pep Boys and Jiffy Lube offer coupons for discount oil changes on their Web sites.

From MSN Money's message boards: "(It cost) $42 when I was going cross country, had to get one, never again. I will bring a jack next time," wrote "Wakerider45."

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Airport food

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Everyone knows that airport food costs extra. It makes sense. Unlike, say, the restaurants in the average food court, which have to compete with each other, nearby restaurants and the food in the average shopper's home pantry, airline retailers are partial monopolists with captive consumers. And they know it.

But what consumers may not realize is that the closer you get to your gate, the more the food generally costs. Daniel Hamermesh, an economist and a writer for The New York Times' Freakonomics blog, noted this in a recent post.

One reason, Hamermesh says, is that dining options tend to decrease farther from the main terminal areas. Another reason is that it's more convenient to eat closer to the attendant who will eventually call passengers for boarding. Convenience costs.

Nowadays, that cost is getting cut. Readers say they are becoming more likely to pack food before flights.

From MSN Money's message boards: "Generally fatty, starchy, full of artificial ingredients and overpriced," wrote reader "Athena53." "I bring my own from home or stores when I can."

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Ticketmaster fees

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Some MSN Money readers say they would gladly forgo the convenience of ticket sellers and buy directly from box offices if they could avoid the "convenience" fees. The charges vary widely, partly depending upon the venue. Often they amount to more than 20% of ticket prices.

For example, earlier this year a Metallica fan in Nashville could have spent about $69.50 for a concert ticket and $16.35 in fees. That's nearly 24% of the ticket price in fees.

Those fees threaten to climb even higher now that Ticketmaster is merging with concert promoter and ticket seller Live Nation. Opponents of the deal say the reduced competition will enable Ticketmaster and Live Nation to gouge consumers and hurt artists by making it more difficult for fans to see their shows.

From MSN Money's message boards: "Service charges on concert tickets. I actually go to very few concerts because of this," wrote "burghmom," adding that she will pay the charges for Bruce Springsteen and Harry Connick Jr. performances.

Continued: ATM fees

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ATM fees

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Blame a backlash against the banking bailout, but some readers don't want to pay banks a single penny to withdraw their money. Especially not since many banks have increased their ATM usage fees to generate additional revenue.

The average ATM fee jumped last year to nearly $2. It is not uncommon to charge noncustomers as much as $3 or more to use ATMs. Many banks also charge their customers additionally when they use ATMs outside their network.

From MSN Money's message boards: "ATM fees, anyone? I refuse," wrote "DontGetStung."

Continued: 401k management fees

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401k management fees

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It's understandable, given the performance of most investors' portfolios last year, that readers would be angry about paying money-management fees on their retirement savings. The average 401k balance shrank 27% last year, according to Fidelity Investments. In retrospect, many investors were undoubtedly thinking they would have done better had they tucked their money under a mattress.

Management fees are typically less than 1% of the assets in the 401k. If you're paying more, make sure it's for good reason.

From MSN Money's message boards: "I hate paying 401k management fees," wrote "Deregulate This." "They steal the paltry gains (if there are any) and they still charge . . . even when they lose a ton of money."

Continued: Airline baggage fees

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Airline baggage fees

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When it comes to flying, readers say they're getting less but paying more. The free food is gone. Legroom costs extra. Some airlines charge for blankets and pillows.

But no fee has rankled readers as much as baggage fees. It just doesn't make sense to some readers. If airlines are assessing the fee because of the fuel cost associated with the added weight of a bag, then they should weigh everyone's luggage and charge by weight, readers say. As they stand, the rules seem to force folks with, say, a couple of small bags to subsidize those with larger ones.

Some readers have taken their weight complaints even further, arguing -- mostly tongue-in-cheek -- that tickets should vary based on the weight of the flier, too.

From MSN Money's message boards: "They say (the fee) is due to the extra weight that luggage requires. Well, my wife weighs 115 lbs and she gets charged for checking a 20 lb bag . . . The dude behind us weighs like 280 and gets charged the same," wrote "DontGetStung." "I say put both the passenger and the bag on scale and charge accordingly! Under 200 lbs total, your bag is free."

Continued: Hot dogs at baseball games

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Hot dogs at baseball games

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"Take me out to the ballgame. Take me out to the crowd. Buy me some . . ."

Stop right there, readers say. Many maintain they will never buy ballpark food because of the high prices.

The prices have risen steadily in recent years. On average, baseball fans will pay $3.70 for a hot dog and an additional $3.44 for a soft drink this year, according to ISM Media's annual fan cost index. In fact, despite the recession, fans will pay an average of 3.2% more on ticket and concession prices this year than in 2008. (New York Yankees fans will pay a whopping 49.4% more, due largely to increased ticket prices. That increase is, by far, the highest in the sport.)

From MSN Money's message boards: "Baseball park snack prices: Come on, people, quit ripping off the public like that," wrote "Spotmefive."

Continued: What do you think?

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Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:29:21 AM

Most of the things in the article are things we can go without.  Bottled water-tap water.  Goumet coffee-home coffee pot.  Movie theatre popcorn-bring your own snack/or skip it altogether and save yourself the calories.  Movie theatre tickets-Blockbuster (most of the films are crap these days anyway)  Baseball game hot dogs-yuck!  Oil changes-do your own.  Drinks at restaurants-water, less calories and sugar again.  Restaurant holiday specials-home cooked meals win every day and twice on sunday-when they put up the 'sunday brunch special'.  Printer Ink, is a necessity so it sucks to get ripped off.  As for the rest, event parking,ticketmaster fees, airport food and airline baggage fees...be thankful you can afford to catch a good concert and take a trip because many people cannot afford that luxury.

My bone to pick?  I hate buying razor blades, what a rip off, $15 for four? 

Friday, October 30, 2009 7:51:53 AM
Mad about healthcare costs?  Charge the people with unhealthy lifestyles higher prices.  At some point, maybe they will change their ways.  Obesity and smoking have proven consequences including high blood pressure, diabetes, COPD, peripheral vascular disease and kidney failure.  We have ways to test for smoking if patients deny their habit.  We can test diabetics to see if they are have good, long-term control of their blood sugar.  All of the fat people, well, we can see that right in front of us.  I'm not saying everyone has to be perfect or be a bean pole, but if you are more than 50 pounds overweight, you have a problem and I'm tired of paying higher expenses because of your lack of self-control.  My point is this, why do we continue to throw money at the people that don't take care of themselves?  Why are we helping them if they don't care?  Why are we giving liver transplants to alcoholics??  Why do we continue to spend money, lots of money, on people that don't care about themselves?
Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:28:53 PM
Did they purposely leave out gasoline? I hate paying nearly $3.00 a gallon to fill up. You used to could go 50 miles for $1.18 and that was nearly three gallons. Rip Off all the way!
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:59:15 PM
These days everything is to overprice because people act like that they can't live without items.  They seem to be confused with the needs vs. the wants.  As long we continue to buy overpriced items, retailers are going to continue to keep that price.
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:32:07 AM
Everything that has been said here is the very reason that 7 years ago, I took ALL my money and ran as fast as I could to Mexico. It seems things have only gotten worse in Canada and the US since I left.  Viva Mexico!
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:29:59 AM
Health care costs?  I have to deal with four doctors on a regular basis.  My main family care doctor, two kidney doctors, and an internal medical specialist.  I have gone through three different insurance companies.  The first cancelled me because I used up too much of the money I paid them for my policy.  The second I cancelled because they ended up not covering very much of anything.  Now I have Medicare because of my disabilities, but do I like it, NO!  I live in Washington State and we have legal medical marijuana, but I have been forced to live on morphine and a handful of other pain medications because the federal government wants us to be slaves to the pharmaceutical corporations that run the hospitals, that hire the doctors, that prescribed to their patients the very product coming out of the labs of the pharmaceutical corporations.  In my county, the county prosecutor has made it impossible for any law abiding citizen to become a medical marijuana consumer, instead we have to shell out co-pays for every doctor visit, every medical test that the doctors seem to think we need every month, and every pharmaceutical medicine (i.e. "DRUG) that they want us to take before we call them in the morning.  I'd much rather eat a marijuana brownie and relax, but you can't do that, there is no medical use for marijuana in America, sure it has been used for thousands of years throughout the world, without one death from the use of it, but hey, we have grown up, we don't believe in those old wives tales anymore, here take this pill, side effects may include: death, darkened bowel movements, insanity, loss of consciousness, dizziness, addition, heart problems, liver disease, kidney disease...  But the American Pharmaceutical Corporation endorses it use, and sure if you live after taking this, you just may be able to sue your doctor, your hospital, you know any local entity that help you make the choice of using this drug, but not the Corporation that manufactured it, you see we have the warnings right in the small print on the last page about an inch up from the bottom, right below the half page logo of our beloved helpful corporation.
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:10:05 AM
Starbucks coffee, who drinks that burnt tasting overprice garbage anyway, oh I see, you just like to fit in with the Jones.
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:05:49 AM
Cable fees, high speed internet, cell phone fees.  Probably the worst is the cell phone fees, I have a two year contract with my provider, my phone breaks, I replace it and my contract is now at the two year mark again.  If I cancel it's $200.00 a phone, what a scam!  What can I do to make $200 every time someone doesn't want to deal with me anymore.  When my two years are up, no more cell phones for me, if you want to get a hold of me leave a message on my landline answering machine, I'll get back to you as soon as I figure out if you need to pay me $200 for talking to me, or is it $200 to leave a message too.
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:38:25 AM
ok i say EVERYONE in america quits their jobs and rovolts. go ahead and disagree with me but its my opinion. i mean really what would the government do if everyone just quit. just take all your money out of the banks and just quit.
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:36:54 AM

What burns me is how much it costs for broadband internet from home and how the cable company packages things to make it so you need to buy everything in a package to get the best prices / highest access speed.  Sometimes I think a piece of infrastructure as important as this shouldn't be in the hands of a monopoly that can pull the crap the cable cos. do.  This article totally missed broadband access prices.  I believe in the US it's among the highest if not the highest in the western world.

 

Don't even get me started on mobile phones, plans and phone model exclusivity.

 

As for coffee, buy a decent burr grinder and get your beans from local roasters and you'll have better and cheaper coffee than from Starbucks with the convenience of brewing it at home.  I bring a travel mug to work everyday.

 

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Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:35:57 PM
Looked through the list.  Are there any people so stupid that they actually pay for any of those items?
Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:01:29 PM
living in cabin sounds like ... save all  fees
Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:00:20 PM
Punster let me educate u. First i am NOT a doctor. I am NOT hospital admin. I do NOT benefit in any way from current hospital system.
1 Your bill is marked UP to compensate for losses that hospital will HAVE to incur for noninsured persons. 
2 What your bill is and what the hospital receives for reimbursement are totally different.
3 when u go to a auto mechanic they have set charges for set jobs say for example you have a brake job u need done then the labour charges for that brake job is say 2.6 hrs work calculated at $78/hr. If your brake job takes 1.5 hrs the auto shop STILL charges for the 2.6 hrs labour.......   like a hospital it has set charges for set admissions diagnosis.

To fix healthcare i have an idea that i have not heard.
every county in us have to have a county hospital that is respnsible for NON insured. it'll create jobs and take care of non insured.
Everyone in US talks a good game about healthcare when it comes down to it depends if u currently can afford insurance or not. Funny when Obama wants to change things around to help the 45 million the people that are already insured thus want no change ....   i'm ok jack attitude.
Keep in mind in US we have NO class system ....   or do we .... money. I'm better than u because i have more money..  look at europe they could NOT care less about money it's all about morals, ethics that a person is jugded on
 
Saturday, October 10, 2009 6:49:39 PM
No excuse for gouging the uninsured, but hospital accounting is quirky - hospital charges are practically fictitious. Basically nobody pays sticker price. The uninsured do get billed whatever the charges are, but most of them don't pay the full amount, or anything. It is possible to negotiate with the hospital, and people who are uninsured should do so.
Saturday, October 10, 2009 8:08:23 AM

Healtcare!!??!!

Definitly one of the BIGGEST scams in the USA.

My wife was in the hospital for a week recently, she's OK now...the bill $37,000 for the hospital. That does not include any imaging (billed seperate), Doctors fees (again billed seperate). I thank God that we had Blue Cross and Blue Shield, What happens next is a total affornt to me and every uninsured American.

THE DISCOUNT FOR Blue Cross and Blue Shield? $32.005!!! Total cost to BC&BS $4995.

Now either the value of the service is $37,000 or it is worth $4995. I suspect that it is the latter and BC&BS along with the Hospital, is lining their pockets with the cash from the uninsured. TIS IS VERY WRONG!!! Where are the laws? How can this be possible in America? That thieves should be in charge of healthcare is very frieghtening. Don't even get me started on the GOVERNMENT doing to healthcare what they have done to retirement(Social Security). They see the money...they want bigger government...HMMM how do we get more money out of the economy$$$$ Why the biggest plum of all healthcare! OHBOY are we in for it. We don;t need reform we just need for the DA's around the country to enforce commerce laws!

Saturday, October 10, 2009 2:38:24 AM
I have always been able to drop off used motor oil at the local car repair place which they will take in the hope that I will eventually give them more involved business. Changing your own oil does not save as much money as it used to but at least you know that it is done right. I have had Honda dealers forget to tighten an oil drain plug.
#17
Friday, October 09, 2009 11:18:13 PM

Cut your credit cards

Make Love, not Wars

Living within your mean.

Credit Score is very toxic

No More Mortgage slavery

Big cars do not make a man.

Do not buy unless it is necessary.

Stop being Consumers of the World.

Big ticket items do not make a women

Enjoy each other at Library or Bookstore.

Spend more time with your family at the park.

Stop outsource jobs to India, China and oversea.

Subway and Public Transport are great for America.

Stop fill up your house with cool junks and hardly use items.

Friday, October 09, 2009 9:45:35 PM
Ha! Starbucks is phony prestige and high prices. I go to a semi-organic store and buy one of twenty plus excellent coffees for 6.99 per pound. Of course I have to do the hard labor of grinding it myself in the store. Bottled water? Knew it was a fraud from day one. 
Monday, September 28, 2009 2:41:56 PM
it is amazing that cell phone plans were not listed in the top 15.  Almost all of Europe has much better reception and lower prices...no menu of overpriced plans to choose from - just one low price.
Monday, September 28, 2009 12:52:11 PM

For banking with no fees at all (even refunding other banks ATM fees) bank at Charles Schwab.  I have for years and I pay no fees at all, at ATM's all over the world.  No fees to order checks either.  And no minimum balance fees.  No bill pay fees.

 

Southwest Airlines still lets 2 bags fly free.  And the service (positive attitude) can't be beat.

 

For special deals on Southwest Air flights download the "Ding!" product from their website.

 

Oil changes (at least in Phoenix) Sun Devil Auto does a full oil change, tire rotation, and car inspection for ~$20.  OUT THE DOOR (no extra add on fees)

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