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10 things moving companies won't say

A lot can happen to your belongings while going from one residence to another. And if something goes wrong, filing a complaint may not do much good.

By SmartMoney

1. 'We'll hijack your stuff'

The moving industry, which packs in nearly 55% of its business during summer, often leaves a trail of frustrated consumers in its wake. The U.S. Department of Transportation receives up to 4,000 household moving complaints annually, mostly about loss and damage, poor service or overcharging. The Council of Better Business Bureaus, meanwhile, reports that complaints about movers jumped from nearly 3,800 in 1997 to more than 9,200 in 2007.Just ask Spyro Malaspinas, a victim of a botched move. He says Nation Van Lines, which he hired to move his belongings from Austin, Texas, to Chicago in January 2003, raised his bill from an estimate of $1,050 to nearly $4,300. The movers, according to Malaspinas, said his goods measured 500 cubic feet more than anticipated. When Malaspinas threatened to call the police, the drivers made off with his possessions, which he estimates were worth $47,000.

Despite an FBI investigation and the March 2003 arrest of Nation owner Eli Peretz by the FBI for alleged crimes with another moving company, Malaspinas wasn't thrilled with the final results: He got only about $25,000 -- and never saw his belongings again.

The experience was "paralyzing," he says. "It's not like somebody stealing your wallet; they have stolen everything you've got." (Peretz's lawyer did not return our calls; Nation Van Lines has since gone out of business.)

2. 'We're popular, especially with the FBI'

Peretz wasn't the only mover rounded up by the FBI in March 2003. The feds indicted a total of 16 moving companies and 74 operators, owners and employees on various charges after a two-year investigation called Operation Stow Biz. "It is the most significant crackdown that we've done," says a spokesman for the FBI's Miami division, whose undercover agents posed as potential customers to trap movers committing fraud, money laundering and other acts. Among those indicted were 20 officers and employees of Advanced Moving Systems in Sunrise, Fla. The charges in the 60-count indictment include fraud, extortion, false documentation and "inflating the price of the move and, thereafter, withholding delivery of . . . goods until (customers) paid the inflated price."

Too bad Patrick and Tammy Runion didn't get advance word of Advanced's alleged practices. The couple booked the company for their move from Toledo, Ohio, to Lake Forest, Calif. Patrick says Advanced movers locked their stuff in storage in Chicago when he refused to pay an additional $500 because the load's weight had been miscalculated by a driver.

"We were so stressed and frustrated" by the ordeal, says Patrick, who eventually paid $1,000 to find the storage space. Attempts to contact Advanced officials were unsuccessful, and the company has since gone out of business.

3. 'Don't mess with us; we're virtually untouchable'

While the FBI sting did manage to take some bad guys out of play, Robert Julian, bureau chief for the Economic Crimes Division in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., doesn't think "consumers should breathe easy."

Scammers are tough to stop. Local police hesitate to get involved in moving disputes because they're considered civil matters, and while the FBI will investigate complaints involving interstate moves, getting property back is not its priority.

There are also federal laws to contend with that, historically speaking, have tended to protect moving companies more than consumers. It used to be, for example, that while dissatisfied customers could sue their moving companies for goods lost in a move, they stood very little chance of recovering even their basic monetary value, let alone winning any punitive damages on top of that amount. But the advent of the Safe, Accountable, Flexible, Efficient Transportation Equity Act in 2005 has given consumers and the federal government more authority in going after scofflaw movers; it "has helped the agency greatly in curbing abuses" in the industry, according to a spokesman for the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA).

Today movers are being held liable in a way they never were before for at least replacing the value of lost items -- so long as the customer opted for full-value protection for their belongings in the initial moving contract. For more information, visit the FMCSA's Web site.

4. 'Someone will deliver your stuff -- it just might not be us'

In June 2002, Carole and Doug Stowers contracted with Elite Van Lines to transport the contents of their three-bedroom house from Palm City, Fla., to Bailey, Colo. Nothing unusual there, right? Guess again. Elite then subcontracted the job to other companies for the cross-country trip. The Stowerses were shocked when Majesty Moving & Storage pulled up to their new home with only half their possessions and didn't know what had happened to the rest -- after all, they hadn't loaded the goods.

Beware: In the hectic summer months, a mover might get so busy that it asks another company to help out with a job. That's fine, but the consumer should be notified in advance of the deal. A spokesman for the American Moving and Storage Association says, "For a completely different company to show up at your house with no prior arrangements, that is totally unacceptable."

No need to tell Carole Stowers that. She shelled out $5,375 to Elite -- the original estimate was $1,700 -- to get all her possessions back. "We almost went bankrupt trying to save our furniture," she says. (Both Majesty and Elite have since gone out of business.)

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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:09:52 AM
I work in the moving industry. While it is true that many of the problems come from within the industry, just as many....if not more, come from the consumer.

Like the customer that tells you over the phone that they will be all packed up and ready to go when the crew arrives. Then when you arrive, nothing has been packed at all. Then the customer is angry and surprised that you had the nerve to charge them for the 6 hours of extra labor and the materials required to do their packing.....as if the movers get their material for free and their time is worth nothing.

Then theres the customer that tells you over the phone, "I have a very small move, only minimal items need relocating....if fact, the last moving company moved the same items in around 3 hours and only charged me $300.00." Then when you arrive at the home you see that it is a 9 room, 3800 square foot, two story home with a full basement. Try explaining to the customer the day of the move that there is no way possible anyone moved their belongings in three hours and that your crew is going to require three time that long. Get ready for a fight and to be accused of being a bait and switch thief.

Lets not forget the customers that when you do an in home estimate and give a binding price to move a specific amount of household goods for a specific price, they completely change the move on you the day your crew shows up.....like trying to sneak their mother in laws 2 bedroom apartment into their home and expecting you not to notice an extra 4000 pounds that they want you to take from Dallas to Seattle for the same price as the original estimate. Then they swear up and down that there are no extra boxes or furniture.....its just a coincidence that all the things that are not on the estimators check list are all conveniently stacked in their garage.

The point is, yes....there are bad movers and rogue moving companies that dont care about their work product or responsibilities. Just as often though, the problem was the customer. Either from being uneducated in what their move entails and understanding what they are paying for, or from not reading their contracts to downright being deceitful liars that feel that trying to steal labor and time from a company is just being shrewd. I mean its not like the people that work for the moving company have bills to pay or families to feed....theyre the big moving company, its OK to "re-negotiate" the bill after all services have been rendered because I am the customer and I am always right. 
Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:09:24 AM
I paid a mover to move my stuff 400 miles  the fee was $5900.00.  A large portion of my stuff was broken and several items are missing.  I just have to say, Is this America?  Unfortunantly a large portion of our people are sinking to a third world dark way of living.  It is a shame to destroy and steal and is unacceptable.  Where is our integrity and Honor? We will not last if we continue into the cesspool of discusting behavior.  Wake up America! 
Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:39:46 AM

I worked as a claims adjuster for a moving company as a young woman nearly 20 years ago. 

You wouldn't believe the things I heard.  And the horrors come from both sides of the story.

The biggest lesson I learned from that job was: NEVER SIGN ANYTHING YOU HAVEN'T READ.

If you are using a moving company, read every word of every piece of paper before you sign it.  Before signing is the time to find out what your valuation is, whether or not your estimate is binding and if the driver or packer has accurately described your belongings. DO NOT  sign at delivery until you have verified receipt of everything and NOTED any missing items.  You have 9 months to file claims for loss or damage, but if you didn't note a loss at delivery you'll be out of luck.

Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:05:08 AM
I have moved cross country several times using all of the major moving companies and have never had a problem with delivery, overcharging or holding my furniture "hostage".  My items were always delivered on time, in the same condition they were in when loaded and have always had pleasant experiences with movers.  I have even received a refund when the quote was too high. Blanket statements condemning movers do a disservice to the moving industry.  And, no, I am not affiliated with them at all.
Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:06:14 AM
I work for a move management company and I have to agree with themovingman.  There are always 2 sides to the story.  People forget the bill is based off actual charges.  Long carries, stair carries, ect are legitmate charges.  There are times I suspect the carrier takes advantage of the customer but I have seen many employees we've moved who acted out of ignorance also.
Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:57:12 AM
Like buddy38, I too have moved cross country with a moving company and never had a problem.  Owner came to house and gave me a written contract after throughly viewing my belongings.  Movers were punctual, pleasant and hard working.  If they were in or close to my current city, I would use them on the move I have coming up.
Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:26:29 AM
I have been an owner of a moving company for over 30 years. We move over a thousand people successfully every year. Most people are honest and are willing to pay fairly for the services they request.  When problems occur they are usually the result of people trying to get something for nothing and not paying attention to what they are signing.  It costs about the same to transport goods including loading, unloading, packing etc. no matter what color the paint on the truck. Smart people will get a couple of written estimates.  They should be very close.  If there is a big difference then something is wrong.  You are giving everything you own to complete strangers to transport.  Pay attention and do your homework and you will have a very enjoyable experience.  If you try to cut corners by using the cheapest price you can get over the phone, you will probably be very unhappy.  There are many companies that represent themselves to be movers who do not own a truck.  They are brokers who will give you a low ball price and take no responsibility for what happens. Reputable movers use qualified, background screened, drug tested help.  You will receive a publication from any reputable moving company entitled "your rights and responsibilities". It is a requirement that the moving company provide the booklet for the consumer. It contains all of the information and safe guards for the consumer and tells them what to expect with an interstate move. Read it and save yourself from many problems. It is free.
Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:44:28 AM

Last spring I moved a one bedroom apartment from KS to CA. I used U-Pack We Ship. They charged by linear foot in a trailer. I got a lower price by letting them leave the trailer there an extra day before the move. That helped.

 

I'd done some pre-packing before the move, and packed as I went after that. Two people would have made it go faster. I had a fairly long carry; luckily, I'd done a lot of jogging before the move so I was in pretty good shape.

 

I'd given most of my furniture away, and the main reason I even had the trailer was to move my computer and Select Comfort CA king bed. Otherwise, the price of the move would have been more than the cost of goods. (I did get to deduct the cost of the move from my taxes because the new job was more than 50 miles from my old residence.)

 

The timing was perfect - I was out of town a week between the end of my old job and the beginning of my new job, and the trailer came the middle of the first week I was back.  Everything I packed arrived, and my wife was surprised nothing was broken. I lucked out on the move. Everything was packed when I used my last box, last packing material, and last tape.

 

The bed was easier to pack than I'd anticipated. I'd saved the boxes it came in, but needed more than those to pack it. Moving those boxes was way easier than trying to manhandle a conventional CA King!

 

My wife and I will be moving her parents from Las Vegas to CA in the next month or so. There's no way we'll be able to do it ourselves. We'll have to hire it done. My wife is good at getting estimates, so I'm sure we'll be fine.

Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:50:58 PM
I would advise to stick with the 'name brand' moving companies.  I have never had a problem with their pricing, missing items, breakage, etc.  However, I believe that they all 'over-book' during peak times, then lie about the whereabouts of their drivers and fabricate stories about why they aren't where they are supposed to be.   


Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:36:38 PM

I've moved more times than most people, since we are 23 years active duty, including a move to and from Italy.  We have seen the good, the bad and the ugly as far as moves go.  The military only contracts with large companies for moves, so the companies are "reputable".  In seven moves of over 2000 miles each, only once did we have enough damaged items to bother filing a claim (the claims process is EXRUCIATING!).  Generally damage totalled less than a couple hundred dollars, so not worth the battle.  The one time we did file a claim involved damage to the house, damage to a neighbor's driveway, as well as two broken major appliances, and numerous smaller items.  It was five months later before we got a check.  Our landlord also held our security deposit until he got a check from the company reimbursing him for the damage to the house.

My biggest complaint is the low weight estimates on walk-through.  I would always tell the rep that we have more stuff than it looks like, and every time they end up having to send for more help, more boxes, and on our most recent move, a second truck, which didn't arrive until the next day (the first truck arrived about 1/3 full of someone else's move).  When you try to tell them that they are underestimating, they look at you in a condescending manner and explain that they do this for a living and they will take care of it. 

Our home takes two days for a crew of three to pack, and a day to load, but we had a crew of four show up to do it all in one day.  They started moving things out onto the driveway on the first day, and I told them there was no way they were going to be ready to load it that day.  Again, the speech about them being professional movers... by 2:30, they were having to drag it all back into the garage because they weren't even done packing.

I HATE MOVING!

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