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Clean car title but dirty secret?

Sometimes cars that have been in floods or accidents end up back on a dealer's lot -- with the damage history erased. But there are ways to protect yourself.

By Insurance.com

It looks perfect, yet the price is surprisingly low. You take the necessary precautions by running a cursory title check on it through Carfax or some other vehicle-history service. It comes back without any indication that there's anything wrong with it. So you decide to save yourself thousands of dollars and you buy it.

Screaming deal? Or screaming headache?

Bad cars get new lives

Well, if your new car is one of millions of vehicles damaged by flood or totaled in an accident each year and then quickly rebuilt and returned to the market with a "clean" title, you're probably facing a long-term headache.

Although vehicles that have been flooded or totaled in an accident are supposed to be branded "flood titled" or "salvage titled," there are many ways that those marks can be erased. It's possible for a vehicle to re-enter the market and be resold despite possibly being unsafe and unreliable.

"In most cases, the salvage brand goes off the vehicle if it goes through two or three owners in different states," explains Rob Painter, a Dallas-area expert on stolen cars and refurbished vehicles.

"I can buy a car in New York, then register it in Wisconsin and then move it to Ohio and register it again, and by that time it's no longer a salvage vehicle," Painter says. "The guy who buys it gets ripped off because he doesn't know it's been flooded or the frame has been re-welded and that the car is very unsafe."

Holes in the car-title system

The National Motor Vehicle Title Information System was created in 1982 with the goal of electronically linking state departments of motor vehicles and requiring car insurance companies to report damaged vehicles that are considered "totaled," meaning they have lost at least 75% of their value due to damage.

Theoretically, this system would reduce the time it takes for a salvage vehicle to be re-titled from more than three months to just seven days -- eliminating the time unscrupulous sellers have to either rebuild the car or "wash" the title by registering it in multiple states or in states with lax car-titling laws.

But a bill that would give teeth to this law failed to pass Congress. According to Angie Wilson, the vice president of marketing and communications for the Automotive Service Association, the "Damaged Vehicle Information Act" did not move forward in 2010 and will have to be re-introduced in the 112th Congress.

The bill, according to Bailey Wood of the National Automobile Dealers Association, would require car insurance companies to electronically disclose the vehicle identification numbers of totaled vehicles and allow that information to be quickly posted on such vehicle-history providers as Carfax and AutoCheck.

But even that won't stop a process called "title washing," in which a seller transfers the vehicle serial number plates from a clean vehicle to a repaired vehicle, increasing the repaired vehicle's value by thousands of dollars over what it would sell for as a "salvage only" vehicle. The answer to that problem, according to Loretta Worters of the Insurance Information Institute, is standardized state rules for salvage vehicles.

"States in many hurricane-prone parts of the United States have adopted rules that require the words 'flood vehicle' be included on the titles of vehicles that have been water damaged and rebuilt," she says. "Before such a vehicle can be sold, the buyer must be notified in writing of the vehicle's past flood damage. However, if one state in the region does not have such strict laws, it can become a dumping ground for undeclared flooded vehicles."

Continued: Where to check a vehicle's history

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1/06/2011 3:51 PM
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The article has many wrong assumptions about it.  Cars that have been rebuilt are the same as cars that have been repaired by the insurance company.  Some cars that are repaired should have been totalled and some cars that were totalled should have been repaired.   Somebody, primarily car manufacturers would like for all cars that are wrecked to go to the car crusher so that they can SELL MORE CARS.  Wake up people and don't leave comments about a su****ect you know nothing about!
12/25/2010 6:21 AM
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Having worked in new car sales, I learned that a dealer easily FIXES a title through inept office staff that leaves out data it reports.  Like dropping the 1 of 100,000 so it only shows miles up to 99k.

 

Best advice is to explore the car in detail looking for any piece of paper that might lead to prior owner or service shops.

 

And, when you take it for a test drive, find a deserted  wide street and speed up to 45+ and slam on the brakes without holding the wheel.  That will tell you of any weaknesses due to repairs or accidents more so than lousy paint jobs.

12/22/2010 4:05 PM
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Much of this information is flawed and incorrect.  Almost all states will NOT wash a title. The notation "REBUILT SALVAGE" will stay on that title no matter how many times it changes hands. Also, just because a vehicle was damaged, does not mean that it is "unsafe" once it has been repaired. Example: If your 2010 Impala is wrecked and has $5000 damage, it will be fixed by your insurance company in a ASE certified body shop and will remain a "clean" title. If your 2005 Impala has the same $5000 damage, it will require the exact same amount of repair, probably by the same ASE certified body shop, but because of the ratio of damage vs value, it may have a salvage title. This vehicle will, in most cases be just as safe as any other 2005 car on the highway, sometimes even better because of the amount new parts that have been installed when it was repaired. Of course there are always exceptions, and not all damaged cars (good title or salvage) are properly repaired, but it is very unfair to label ALL repaired or rebuilt salvage title cars as unsafe. Heck, some salvage title cars have had no damage at all!!! If a car was stolen and then was recovered after the insurance company has already paid the claim, this vehicle will have a salvage title, even if it was found completely intact without a sctrach on it!! Also, most major insurance companies will still insure Rebuilt salvage cars. As a matter of fact, it usually works to their advantage. They will charge you the same premium as a good title car, but if something happens and the car is "totalled" again, they will not pay you full value because of its salvage history.  Rebuilt salvage cars can be a great way to save thousands of $$$$ on a great vehicle. It really irritates me when people talk about things that they know nothing about, and other's take everything they say as gospel.
12/22/2010 2:30 PM
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Carfax and other similar services are not necessarily up to date. I've purchased a car that showed to be a clean title with no wrecks, two owners, etc.

Turns out that the vehicle has been in AT LEAST two separate wrecks, has had multiple owners and the odometer has been tampered with (mileage is wrong).

Thanks to Carfax, I paid roughly 4 times what I would have had I known what was wrong with the vehicle (truth be told, I wouldn't have purchased the vehicle at all, so I guess it was a much higher number than just 4x).

I no longer use Carfax, as they are completely unreliable.

12/22/2010 2:16 PM
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Attorney General of Illinois did nothing. I contacted them by phone. I think I will file a formal complaint.
12/22/2010 2:05 PM
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I've been that route also.  Didn't know it was salvaged, Carfax had a clean record on the car, went to court, yada, yada, yada.  Courts are only out for the bad guys, not the people who do nothing wrong.  IMHO, they should outlaw selling those types of cars period.  They are VERY unsafe.
12/22/2010 2:04 PM
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So who is the problem here????

The INSURANCE COMPANIES are the problem! They sell their totalled vehicles at swalvage auctions all over the country. They get BIG money for these wrecked vehicles. If they had to disclose the VIN of every car that was totalled, their profits from the salvage auctions would go WAY DOWN. Anf the insurance companies donate millions to your government representatives, all to get them to NOT PASS the bill that would correct the problem! Don't blame car dealers. Most of them just buy and sell used cars that they believe are safe and profitable. They don't fix wrecks. Blame the insurance companies and your politicians who refuse to help you on this issue.

12/22/2010 2:03 PM
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Joe Smither....did you go through the state Attorney General?  I owned a car lot and bought a car at the wholesale auction that later turned out to be a salvage title car.  I contacted the AG of Wisconsin and, much to my surprise, I got a check within one week....including repair money I had put into the car.  Then the AG went after the dealer that had it at the auction.  I was surprised to get any money and even MORE surprised that I got it so fast!
12/22/2010 11:14 AM
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This happened to me. I bought a car last year in June. I pulled the Carfax and it was clean. I then started having problems a 1 1/2 years later with the Trans. I called Honda and they infomed me the car had a salvage title.I contacted the state of Illinois and after many hours of conversation said their auditor missed it because a box was not checked. You got to be kidding I said . they took no responsibilty for this and in fact made me get my car inspected at my cost. I have filed a complaint against the state of Illinois but my guess they will do nothing. Does anyone no a good attorney that would like to take this cas probono.
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