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Auto dealership tricks and scams

Shopping for a new car can be a daunting proposition -- but it need not be if you know what to expect (and are willing to walk away).

By Laura Martinez for FiveCentNickel.com

Buying a new car is one of the most stressful financial situations that you're likely to encounter. There are many reasons for this. After all, this is one of the biggest purchases (aside from a house) that you'll make, and you want to get a good deal.

One big obstacle for many is dealing with salespeople who try any number of tricks to get you to spend more than you planned.

Understand the process

While there are honest car dealers out there, dealing with a bad dealership can leave a very bad taste in your mouth. If you know the tricks of the trade, though, you can go in prepared to get a fair deal for your next car.

Here are some of the most common tricks you'll encounter when buying a car or trading one in:

Trade-in tricks

Trading in your old car can help to offset a portion of the purchase price on your new car, but it's rarely the best deal. In most cases, you'd be better off selling your old vehicle yourself and then putting the proceeds toward the new car. It's more legwork, but if you're patient, you can get a much better deal.

Inflated trade-in values. If you do decide to trade in your car, the salesperson might come back with a fantastic offer -- perhaps much more than any other dealer would offer. Seeing as this deal is much better than what you can get elsewhere, you may go ahead and start making a deal for your next car.

The problem with this situation is that, all too often, the sales guy will eventually claim that the trade-in price was rejected by his manager. He'd like to keep the deal with the new car but will offer a smaller amount for the trade-in. At that point you may be so emotionally invested in the process that you're likely to accept his offer.

Don't fall for this trick. Stand up, start moving toward the door, and ask the salesperson to lower the new car's price correspondingly. If they won't budge, you may just want to walk away.

Holding your keys. Another possible gotcha occurs after you hand the dealer the key for your trade-in. There have been stories where dealers kept potential customers in the showroom by "misplacing" their keys. In fact, our friends had it happen to them. Upset with that old trick, they wound up leaving without purchasing anything.

Scams when buying a car

The biggest advantage you can have when buying a car is knowledge. Don't go into a dealership without knowing what kind of car you're looking for and how much it should cost. If you're prepared, you'll be able to spot outrageous offers and comfortably walk away.

Foursquare -- bad math. If a salesperson asks how much you're willing to pay per month for your car, watch out! Some dealerships coach their salespeople to pull out a foursquare chart to maximize their profit by only focusing on your monthly payments.

Payments can be reduced by extending the length of your loan, or by including a balloon payment. Know what you're looking for and tell them what -- and how -- you want to buy. Use Kelley Blue Book or Cars.com to see what your dream car is worth and how much people are paying for in your area.

Instead of getting into the tricky math at the dealership, focus on the bottom line -- the total price you're willing to pay for the car. If you need financing, you should consider lining it up on your own rather than including that in your negotiations.

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11/08/2011 4:25 PM
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When does a customer get a good deal? When he/she FEELS that they got a good deal.

What good is a car marked down $5000 (making you happy you are getting a discount) if your credit dictates a 24% interest rate?

What good is a car that you only have to pay $250/month for, if it's not suitable to your family/individual needs?

What good is a car that has no extended warranty if you are planning on keeping the car longer than the length of the loan?

 

The bottom line is, the numbers are DO NOT matter if A) the vehicle is the WRONG vehicle for your needs, B)The vehicle isn't comfortable to drive C)The vehicle isnt reliable, D)The vehicle costs too much a month.

PERIOD, if you don't like the car, don't like the way it drives, can't afford it, and it breaks down CONSTANTLY, is the "deal" you got really worth it?

 

And please, stop asking "what's your bottom line". It is never going to be answered. EVER. Because the truth is, our "bottom line" is the most you're willing to pay and the least the sales manager will let it go for.

 

The bottom line is, stop relying on people who make their living by making the most from every sale as humanly possible, to hold your hand and make sure you DONT pay as much. Be responsible for your actions, and when buyers remorse creeps up, remember, nobody can FORCE you to sign anything.

12/13/2010 10:43 AM
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Some of the information in this article is outdated.  And there are stereotypes perpetuated on both sides.  Use the "bell curve" illustration: about 15 % of buyers are liars and about the same percentage would apply to salespeople.  Most buyers are simply trying to by a car at a payment they can afford.  Most salespeople are trying to earn a decent living.  And with the growth of internet sales, dealership margins, and sales commissions, are being squeezed.  Don't feel bad for the dealers, though. Most are multi-millionaires with multiple homes, and multiple toys (big boats, airplanes, etc.).

Buyers: Do your homework before going to the dealership.  Research dealer cost on the model(s) you are considering. But remember that the dealer has "back-end" money that would allow the dealer to sometimes sell at, or slightly below, their cost.  Know what you want to buy the car for, not your limits on payment.  The dealership may hit the monthly payment but with you paying too much for the car.  Also, if possible, have your financing in place.  Know your credit score.  Remember: knowledge is power.  On the flip side: "profit" is not a dirty word.  The dealership must make some profit.  However, if you shop without doing your homework, you increase the risk of overpaying.  In addition, if you become uncomfortable during the buying process, say so.  And if your concerns are not addressed, leave.  Finally, and this is best piece of advise: treat the salesperson with respect.  85% of them are honest, hard working professionals.  Treat them the way you would like to be treated.  Also, if you had a good experience, be prepared to provide a referral or two.  The dealership may pay a "birddog" or referral fee if they sell a car based on your lead. And referrals is one way any good salesperson grows their business.

12/05/2010 2:47 PM
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You know what's funny. I have owned car dealerships for years.. And the truth of the matter is You can't get "Screwed" buying a car. You pay Market Value for the vehicle at the time of purchase. Banks have to many guidelines to really hammer people. Your allowed two points on rate.. and in most cases 110%-130% of WHOLESALE blue book OUT THE DOOR including all taxes and fees, AND WARRANTY!!! People aren't complaining that bought used trucks in 2008 when they were dirt cheap after the gas spikes and actually sitting in an equity position right now.......The problem comes when you purchase a depreciating asset. It's not the dealers fault it depreciates. you wouldn't say your furniture salesman screwed you or your TV salesman.....have you ever tried reselling a bottle of water you just purchased at the store???? And 1000% buyers are liars that has already been said it's really sad actually that people aren't honest about their situations, job times, repos, how much they make when we are going to see your pay stub anyway!!! Just be honest. I have have recommendations from dmv inspectors, Judges, attorneys, pastors, and thank you notes from a ton of people for how I conduct business. So No car dealers aren't at fault and really make a lot less than you might think.  Relate this to the mortgage mess right now house dumped and now banks and the mortgage lenders are the scumbags. Because you bought a house that depreciated. think about that.
12/05/2010 9:30 AM
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The sad part about this article is it's not even an original piece of work.  The same article gets rehashed and reprinted every couple of months.  I wish a writer would actually go out and experience how cars are sold today.
12/04/2010 9:03 PM
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I have to comment on some of these opinions.  I have sold cars for 22 years and am very successful.  And I dont envy someone that is in the market for a new car and has to go to a Dealership, its got to be scary.  So if I have a suggestion to anybody buying a new car is this, do your homework before getting there and when the negotiation is done just say thank you is it OK if we sleep on it and Ill be back tomorrow to take delivery.  I do it all the time and it works for both parties.  Oh and be nice to your salesman cause a smile and friendly attitude Will save you money
12/04/2010 6:04 PM
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I have been in high line sales for a long time and unfortunately, Clobbersaurus is right. Buyer are liars and articles like this that give buyers bad information just makes the process even worse for the dealership and the buyer. People are not honest and just like the cars.com ad that shows this ultra successful guy being completely intimidated when he is buying a car is so incredibly accurate. I sell $100,000-$600,000 cars so customer service is of the ut most importance but these are the ways you get a great deal and receive great service:

 

1. You treat your sales person with respect and honesty. Don't waste their time and don't be unrealistic.

 

2. Do your homework. Edmunds.com is a great site for reviews and trade values, autotrader.com now has a guaranteed trade in value, different manufactures have different profit margins, etc...

 

3. If you are a jerk...you put a target on yourself to get screwed...it becomes a goal!

 

4. Know what interest rate you are approved for a car loan and see if the dealership can meet or beat it.

 

5. If you don't buy locally you are doing a dis-service to your community and you pretty much ruin your relationship with your local dealer if you buy the same brand from somewhere else.

 

6. Be fair. A great deal is not invoice. A great deal is based on what the market bares. If you want trashy sales people to work at dealerships then just keep grinding till there is no profit and these guys will make no more than minimum wage. If you are fair by negotiating so you have a discount and the dealership/salesperson make a reasonable profit then everyone is happy.

 

7. People! Car sales is a business and you are dealing with other people. If you are nice, professional, reasonable and genuine you will be okay. If you are phony, suspicious, treat your sales person like a cheat then that is what you are going to get. We are sales people and we KNOW people and most of us are good with people...and can sum them up quickly!

12/04/2010 4:11 PM
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I have had a dealership in Vegas pull the "we have misplaced your keys to your trade-in" trick.  after i was presented a bad finance offer on the new car i was looking at buying, was when i got the news of my keys having been "temporarily misplaced".  I pleaded with the salesman i need MY car keys back that I had somewhere to be later that afternoon.  So about 2 hours later, if finally got my keys back.  So, I was completely pissed at this point and the whole time while they were "looking" for my misplaced keys, the salesman is still trying to sell me a new car.  He would say, "lets go and look at this one while they are looking for your keys".  2 hours of this.  And for all the salesmen posting on here, you can't tell me he didn't know anything about.  He was apart of it.  SHADY!!!!!!
12/04/2010 4:09 PM
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you hit the nail on the head, the dealership's are selling to the general public the way the general public wants to buy.     Do you try to beat down the price of a head of lettuce?  Do you tell the dry cleaners his price is too high and you will only pay a less amount? The Dentist? The Hardware store? etc.  There has been many attempts by the Auto industry to sell set pricing autos, ie Saturn, Pontiac, But the general public still came in and beat them up over pricing.  It would be much easier and more profitable for the Dealers to sell with set pricing, requires sell salespeople, less manager, (two of the largest expense of a dealership) and to know what you profit margin and profits will be in advance make for better annual planning rather then living month to month.

Do your home work .  Go no line, find out what the FAIR price is then go pay it.  Don't encourage bad behavior.

12/04/2010 3:43 PM
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As a 24 year veteran in the business; I have seen all of the stereotypes that are brought up in this article. However, that's exactly what they are, stereotypes. It is my belief that the person writing this article knows nothing more about the car business than what he has seen in the movie "Used Cars" or Cadillac Man". The people in the business these days that are successful have a very loyal following of customers, and are some of the most prolific, honest, and straight forward people that you will have the pleasure of meeting. Don't get me wrong; you can walk into a dealership and get a "Green Pea" that has not been properly trained and knows less than you, but that is about the extent of it. People have so much access to knowledge and information these days, that it's their own fault if they pay "too much" for the car, or don't get a good deal. I personally have salespeople who have a customer base that will buy only from them; and frankly don't care how much they pay for the vehicle because they know they will be taken care of all the way through to the next purchase. So this article in my opinion is based on the writers lack of ability to properly research his story, his laziness, and his lack of respect to his own profession. Have a great day!
12/04/2010 3:39 PM
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if you take that attitude with your customers, you probably don't sell many cars(clobbersaurus)  wonder why?  Not everyone is an expert when it comes to buying a car, that is your job, help them understand and be honest with them.  Sounds like you need some customer service skills, or get out of the sales industry.  just sayin...
12/04/2010 3:34 PM
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Hey......RICHARD (bm4u) Does the   bm   stand for bowel movement. You calling ALL people in sale (BOTTOM FEEDERS) is quite rediculous. Please tell me what you do for a living , so I can degrade your useless piece of **** job.......better yet, give me your address and we can talk face to face. MR BOWEL MOVEMENT

12/04/2010 3:30 PM
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The first thing you learn when you start on a career of selling automobiles is that buyers are liars.

 

I cannot even begin to count the number of times when customers:

  1. Said their trade was perfect, when in fact their trade had a transmission that was shot, an interior that looked like large animals were mating inside the car, and tires that were balder than Telly Savalas.
  2. Said their credit was fine, when they actually stiffed everyone, had FICO scores lower than sea level, and could not finance a box of Corn Flakes.
  3. Said they had to check with their wife, husband,accountant, lawyer, or invisible friend before they made a commitment. When a salesman offers them to take the car to show it to them, they start babbling like a duck.
  4. Could not count their toes and get the same number twice. Here is a clue, people: You cannot finance a $30,000 vehicle with an out-of equity trade or paying the sales tax with no money down for $300.00 a month for 60 months.

Too many customers read articles like this, and think they are experts. What they wind up doing is looking like idiots when they walk into the showroom.

12/04/2010 3:14 PM
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so lets not put any blame on the dealership or salesman for there bad decisions and mistreatment of customers, but lay that blame on the customers.  That seems backwards to me. 

 

 I'm not saying all car dealers and salesmen are bad.  The new car i did buy was the same brand as the one i was looking at when i was "held hostage" for 2 hours, just a different dealership and different sales person and had no issues with him at all.

12/04/2010 3:05 PM
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Fred Anaya...  You are a joke!  I bet that technique works well for you.  Who in their right mind wants to sell you a car?  That person that you are talking about running into sooner or later and you claim is honest and will be willing to sell you a car is a new guy to the business and doesn't know any better about people like you.  They are just after the unit.  Not your $25 commission.  The reason you have to walk out  and go to another dealership is cause people in this line of work know that there is no way to make a*ssholes like you happy and selling you a car at cost just to get a bad survey and $25 isnt worth the aggravation so keep it up.  Thats about as sharp as a bowling ball...
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Let me start by saying that not all car dealers/salespeople are crooks or shady business people. In fact most are fathers and mothers and are respectable people in our communities. Articles like this, written by ignorant reporters like yourself that have nothing better to do with their time, are hurting the business that drives are country. Posting negative articles does nothing to help our Nation's economy,which is largely driven by the manufacturing and sales of automobiles. Hundreds of thousands of people in our country are out of work because of a struggling auto industry and you, an ignorant ****, are doing nothing to help!! Why don't you use your, so called, talent and write about something positive and try to encourage people to purchase vehicles. Write about the features and benefits of owning a new vehicle. STOP!! bashing the car business as we have families to support and help people realize that our sales drive the economy of our great country. Let me ask you sir/mam, what do you do aside from writing negative articles that affect the job and welfare of others?? Do you really think that your article is helping people?? Believe me, it will hurt more than it will help!!

Having been in the auto business for close to two decades in positions from sales associate all the way up to partner. I can assure you that allot of what you've written describes a minute number of Dealers. Our sales staff prides itself on customer satisfaction ratings and reaps the benefits of customer referrals. Referrals that could never happen if we were to implement any of the practices you have written about in your article.

12/04/2010 2:57 PM
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I don't like to generalize and in this industry I believe the car sales people get a bad wrap because of past performances of a few in comparison to thousands. I personally know 3 people that sell vehicles and they are very upfront and honest!!!!! I think some people take offence if a sales person offers them a vehicle that has more amenities but in the long run you will get a better trade in value at the end or be able to sell it in a faster period of time, which will make YOU more money to put down on another vehicle. When purchasing anything you are responsible to make the final decision!!! Ask a lot of questions, if the sales person is rushing you then leave and go to another dealership. If they keep your keys call the police and get them over there, people we are adults we need to take responsibility for our own actions. If something doesn't feel or sound right, then it probably isn't!!!!!
12/04/2010 2:57 PM
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The recent car purchases have been varied at local dealers, since my wife work in finance, she can access the true value of our vehicle and when shopping we are able to make a cash deal. Dealer that we trusted knows us from several past purchases. last shopping visit was to known value of our car + cash, offer was made on a new vehicle. when presented to manager was turned down so we walked, understand we have delt with salesman before and he knows how we buy, ( different ownership since last purchase ) so we walked out. If this was impossible deal why did we have a message that the deal could be made on machine at home.

We were ready to deal on the lot with title in hand for old car and ready to write check. Salesman knew how we bought in the past, new ownership tried to get fancy and lost sale.

This is why I always am prepared to deal, one shot to bring offer, or accept offer, then I walk, If the offer is accepted by phone latter then I know that the first refusal was to add to profit, latter hone conversation with Salesman went " We have dealt before,,, we reminded you of this ,,, you got one shot at our business,, you and the dealership lost out for the possibility to earn a few hundred more.

 

That is why i have bad feeling about dealerships, and getting ripped off.

12/04/2010 2:57 PM
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Yeah, I've seen the "lost keys" trick done.  It's crap.  I once quit a dealer over it.  The same dealer, a few months later, was charged with unlawful imprisonment.  This is why I don't get mad at customers who come in with their defenses up and maybe start out a little rude.  The car business has earned its reputation.  I have seen people drive off thinking they had just bought a car when in reality they leased it.  This stuff happens.   Bill Heard is gone because of alot of these things.  The Van Tuyl autogroup seems to have alot of stores that pull this kind of stuff. 
12/04/2010 2:54 PM
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I bought a car online when I was stationed in Germany. Awesome price, gave me photos, got financing, sent it his way, sales order....done.  Very easy.  It took a total of two days, and that was just because of the time difference. I also got a great deal on a Dodge, ended up dragging a rusty 1974 Honda scooter from the junkyard to get my "push, pull or drag" credit.  $750 and I paid $10 for the scooter. Great investment.  I have had pretty good experiences. Yes there is pressure, you just have to remember you have the money, and feet.
12/04/2010 2:46 PM
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after reading the article, I find it most interesting that the car selling business comes under the most attack. This business was founded to sell a product, to consumers, that spend money to build the economy. No wonder America is in such distress. We bash the very industry, that provides jobs, income to support a used to be middle class lifestyle. I have proudly sold the same product, Ford and Lincoln, no defunct Mercury for the past 31yrs. And have a tremendous customer base. The article portrays salesmen, and now women, as some of the worst people in the service industry. And this article makes us look bad, some rightfully so. But take note MSN, the media is not the most credible business, and you guy's get paid to spread bad news. Can you negotiate the price of milk, or bread in the local supermarket? The price of gas at the gas station? etc. Give us a break, this is not Big Lots.
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