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Extra8/12/2009 1:45 PM ET

230 mpg for Volt? Not for very far

General Motors trumpets its upcoming Volt; skeptics do the math. When dealing with electric cars, it turns out, your mileage may really, really, really vary.

By MSN Money staff and wire reports

General Motors astounded the auto industry Tuesday when it announced its Chevrolet Volt rechargeable electric car would get 230 mpg in city driving when it is released late in 2010.

Unfortunately, you won't be able to put a gallon of gasoline in it and go 230 miles.

That's the brain-teaser confronting both car buyers and federal regulators as more electricity-boosted cars begin to come to market. GM's claim is mileage four times better than the current champion, the Toyota Prius. But is miles per gallon the best measure if you're not burning gallons? Many skeptics don't think so.

"You can't give electric cars a free ride," a Consumer Reports blogger wrote. "That electricity comes from somewhere and needs to be counted in what the car consumes."

Rival Nissan isn't convinced either. Its all-electric Leaf is expected to arrive next year. In response to GM, its engineering team sniped on Twitter, "Nissan Leaf = 367 mpg, no tailpipe, and no gas required."

The Volt will be powered by an electric motor and a battery pack with a 40-mile range. After that, a small internal-combustion engine will kick in to generate electricity, giving it a total range of 300 miles. The battery pack will be rechargeable from a standard home outlet in about eight hours.

It all depends

It would be possible to drive a Volt forever without burning a drop of gasoline, as long as you didn't drive more than 40 miles before you recharged. Beyond that, the gasoline engine would kick in; with that engine running, the Volt would get more than 40 miles per gallon on a longer trip.

However, the Volt could indeed get 230 mpg -- if you included the electricity-only miles and your trip was only about 50 miles.

On longer trips, though, every mile after that would reduce the "mileage." GM estimates the car's range on a full charge and a full tank of gas at 300 miles. If the Volt's tank took six gallons at that point -- the size of the tank isn't final yet -- traditional measurements would return the 40-plus-mpg figure. And even that doesn't account for the electricity introduced into the car's battery during an overnight charge.

The Prius and other hybrids such as the Ford Fusion don't require that owners plug them in; instead, drivers recharge their cars' batteries as they coast and brake while operating on gasoline power. The vehicles can move on electricity alone for only very short distances. The Prius achieves 51 miles per gallon in city driving, the Fusion 41.

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With its promise of 230 miles per gallon, is the Volt for real? Dutch Mandel of AutoWeek and Brian Moody of Edmunds.com examine the claims.

Nissan's figure for its all-electric car comes from methodology used by the Department of Energy, not the Environmental Protection Agency, which makes the rules. GM is marketing the 230-mpg figure after early tests using draft guidelines from the EPA for calculating the mileage of extended-range electric vehicles. The EPA guidelines, developed with guidance from automakers, figure that cars like the Volt will travel more on straight electricity in the city than on the highway.

But even the EPA is hedging its bets. The agency said in a statement Tuesday that it has not tested a Volt "and therefore cannot confirm the fuel economy values claimed by GM." The agency said it applauded "GM's commitment to designing and building the car of the future."

Continued: GM's big bet

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Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:31:28 PM
It sounds to me like Government Motors is following typical Washington methods of making claims, also known as Hitler's Big Lie Theory. If you repeat a big enough lie loud enough and long enough, no one will ever think it's a lie. Who would ever make up a lie that outrageous, so it MUST be the truth!! Just more WASHINGTON BUSINESS AS USUAL, and after all, Washington now runs GM, so they are responsible for their lies.
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:36:53 PM
i'm already getting 50 mpg with a 1985 vw diesel engine  in a 92 shadow. the whole conversion cost me $1000.   that is a long way from $40.000 to start (with tax money not counted) but then , i'm not government with deep pockets.
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:43:02 PM

Neale...I couldnt have said it better myself....I am glad there are some still out there who question the lies and dont take it for scripture!

 

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:44:51 PM
no matter how you look at it we are on the right path fiinally because we will get rid of foreign oil dependency and give terrorists less funding and reduce air pollution.  I have just bought a ford fusion hybred and with discount and tax credit it was 24,300 and i have not driven a car for that price in all gas or electric that compare in ride and standard amenities and then i get the bonus of 43 mpg hwy and even better in the city when i am carefull.  I stand by this mileage from 1300 miles of experience--not what window sticker says.  and i am making the world better off same time.  Please people many of you can use a car like this instead of a gas hog.  It seats 5 easy and rides as good or better than my last new caddy deville
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:48:13 PM
I bet there is a catch.  I know the upfront cost is really high.  I live in a mountainous state.  Wonder if it can climb a hill or do you just run it where it is flat.
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:48:15 PM
Well I'm not the Conspiracy Theorist Osborn is but something seems Fishy.  I've taken 400 level College Math courses and by my calculations for this car to get 230 MPG but to only have a 300 mile range as noted; it would only have about a 1.1 gallon engine.  That doesn't make much sense.  If anyone has a logical explanation I would love to hear it otherwise I'm going to have to lean toward Osborn's Theory.  
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:48:33 PM

This is another one of those phony car gimmicks the same as the Prius and others. The MPG might be true of a very limited climate, which I do not think exists. I have spoke with people with the hybrids, and the same will hold true with this car, if you want heat, clear the fog and frost off windows or cool in the heat of summer, then you will have to run the gas engine. Perfect climates do not exist. Hybrids do not and can not get the mileage they claim except under ideal conditions.

  I live in South Dakota where we have 8 months of cold and the rest is very hot. If I hear a hybrid owner claim he gets 40-50 miles to a gallon then I know he/she is a product of a shallow gene pool, their car is parked in the garage 99% of the time, they push it or they are just plain telling tall tales.

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Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:50:34 PM
The reason it is so difficult to compare refueling costs of electricity to gasoline is due to the fact that gasoline is a classic Zero-Sum fuel.  In fact, some might say that it takes more electricity to refine oil into gasoline as it would to propel a fully electric vehicle to start with.  Therefore, if the price of electricty skyrockets, then so will the price of gasoline.  However, a fully electric vehicle uses significantly less fuel than a fossil propelled vehicle.  You do the math.
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:57:29 PM
First - Who in their right mind is going to buy this thing for $40,000.00 when you can't even take it on vacation unless you bring an extension cord and steal electricity from a rest area or your hotel?. I may pay 5,000 - 6,000 for this but not 40,000.
Second, they have not advertised what is going to happen to the customers electric bill to keep the batteries charged. Will the electric bill offset the savings in gasoline? How much coal will we have to import just to keep generating electricity to keep these on the road if they are hot sellers? Just a few questions I have. Finally, how long are the batteries good for? Is the replacement cost expensive? What if I get stranded because the batteries died at 250 miles, do you provide roadside assistance. I conclude this vehicle is for the rich who can afford to use it as a Saturday night cruiser and make the costly payments, but is not going to be practical for the average American family, very similar to the SSR.

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:57:30 PM
there's no logic to contrived lies Government Motors is spewing. You can't get 230 mpg from a car that runs on a battery. Not now not ever!
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