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Extra7/28/2009 12:01 AM ET

The price of Wal-Mart coming to town

When the retail giant moves in, it promises cheaper goods, more jobs and more tax revenue. And in the short term, it delivers. But the initial boost hides later losses.

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By Karen Aho
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Wal-Mart sure sounds like a good idea when it first rolls into town. That much is clear.

The thousands of U.S. cities that have said yes to the "always low prices" pioneer since 1962 did so for good reason. Many were so enthusiastic they even threw in cash incentives ($1.2 billion in taxpayer subsidies and counting).

And Wal-Mart came through. The disciplined Bentonville, Ark., discounter didn't become the world's largest (non-oil) company and history's most influential retailer, after all, by not following through on its promises:

  • Jobs: Check. More than 1.4 million Americans draw a Wal-Mart paycheck.

  • Low prices: Check. It's generally agreed that consumers in an economy without Wal-Mart in it would spend considerably more -- by some estimates as much as $2,500 per household more.

  • Tax boosts: Check. The cities where Wal-Mart builds do see an upswing in sales tax receipts.

Wal-Mart promised to add 22,000 jobs in the U.S. this year by opening or expanding some 150 new supercenters, those 187,000-square-foot giants that include grocers. In today's job-hungry economy, many well-meaning, practical citizens have rolled out the welcome mat, little expecting that the move could backfire on their communities.

A Trojan horse?

A glance at Wal-Mart's store openings page, or any news story that follows (they're eerily similar), reveals the reason: "an increase in tax revenue" and "150 new jobs" for Wilkesboro, N.C., or "450 new jobs" for Albuquerque, N.M.

The numbers may change, but this key point does not: The promised benefits are not something a city can easily ignore.

Yet each of Wal-Mart's promises has a flip side.

  • Jobs: Check. But, after an initial boost, studies show a net loss of jobs.

  • Low prices: Check. So low that wages and benefits are reduced as well. Then the neighbors follow suit.

  • Tax boosts: Check. But that boost comes at the expense of communities nearby, which tend to lose any businesses that compete. And don't forget to factor in the cost to taxpayers of subsidies for Wal-Mart and public aid to low-wage workers.

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When Wal-Mart comes to town, "it's a switcheroo," said Nelson Lichtenstein, a professor of history at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and the author of "The Retail Revolution: How Wal-Mart Created a Brave New World of Business."

"They create jobs now, immediately," he said. "Over time . . . they erode better jobs."

For its part, Wal-Mart says its stores continue to serve local economies for years after they go up.

"Wal-Mart is a solution for many communities across the country, offering quality jobs, career advancement, stimulating local economies with new business opportunities and generating tax revenue for cities," said Michelle Bradford, a Wal-Mart spokeswoman.

Certainly, Wal-Mart doesn't set out to undermine local economies. Nor do the city fathers who approve the stores or the consumers who shop at them. Each of them is serving constituents -- stockholders, taxpayers or households -- as best they can.

How can such good intentions go so wrong?

The promise

Take Ventura, Calif., a coastal town north of Los Angeles now divided over a proposed Wal-Mart. The biggest selling point for proponents: an estimated $350,000 to $500,000 net jolt to the city's coffers from the supercenter's added sales taxes.

California, which led the movement to cap property taxes in the 1970s, desperately needs sales taxes to pay its schoolteachers and police officers.

"It's not a bonanza, but it's a fiscal positive," said Rick Cole, the city manager. "That pays for three full-time firefighters."

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Market-opportunity studies show that one-fifth of 500,000 weekly shoppers at the Wal-Mart in Oxnard, a town just south, live in Ventura.

"We already have some proportion of our population slipping out in the night to shop over there," said Ventura City Councilman Carl E. Morehouse. "Why should Oxnard get the benefits?"

It's this grim reality that puts folks like Morehouse in a bind. He doesn't like Wal-Mart, and he won't shop there, ever. A pro-labor Democrat, he opposes the company's business practices and their impact on the environment and working conditions, both here and abroad.

But he can't in good conscience deny his city's residents the opportunity to build a Wal-Mart if they want to (voters will decide in November).

"I am torn between two things: the fiscal demands to keep the city whole and a dislike of Wal-Mart," he said. "I have to look at the big picture for our financial needs."

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Monday, July 27, 2009 8:22:44 PM
Everyday low price means goods made in China, India or low wage countries. Wal-Mart is guilt in pushing US jobs overseas. They are the 8th largest "nation" importing goods from China. They are largely responsible for the huge trade deficit.
Monday, July 27, 2009 10:55:00 PM
Walmart pays $11/hour plus benefits to full-time workers which seems very reasonable for the work.  Plus they can save familes up to $2500 per year.  We are in a global economy now and it isn't going away.  Walmart seems like a great safety net to me.  They keep families near the poverty line from going hungry while keeping their workers from falling below it.  Not to mention the money it saves other consumers and raises for local governments.
Monday, July 27, 2009 11:02:41 PM
I agree with the China trade thing. We shop at Cosco and is it any better. You can't buy a TV or cell phone that isn't made in China. I don't know the answer, but if we keep this up, we will all be out of a job.Sad
Monday, July 27, 2009 11:38:35 PM
This story just reiterates everything that I've always believed about Wal-Mart.  On the surface, Wal-Mart looks great.  But when you look at the big picture of the effects of Wal-Mart, its not such a rosy looking picture anymore.  Simply put, Wal-Mart is bad for the American economy.
Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:12:32 AM

Eleven dollars an hour means $22,000 annual wage if you are a full time employee, that is poverty. When the working person makes a living wage our country will prosper again. Wal-Mart has an unfair advantage over independent businesses which has lessened opportunities for the general population. What has happened to our anti-trust and monopoly laws? I believe in our capitalistic system,but it should be available to the many not just the few.

Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:00:24 AM
This article is interesting but I am not sure how factual it is.  I am not sure if it is supposed to be a news article or an editorial.  My own thoughts as I read through the piece is as follows.  Wal-marts come and go - GM used to be THE dominant automaker in the world and now lives on government handouts and remember Kmart, etc, etc.  As for low paying jobs, if you ever worked in retail you know they don't pay well any place.  We travel a lot and if we are in an area that does not have a Walmart and we don't know the area, it is tough to find even the basics and requires a lot of gas just to gather up stuff you need.  I am not a big fan of Walmart but boy, is it convenient.  This country's economy was built on competitive commerce and industry and we will surely die by over-restrictive trade and business policies. Smile
Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:17:59 AM
Wal-Mart has taken the low end of retailing and revolutionized it.  They are competitive in a global context.  Jobs move overseas because the US is not competitive.  Instead of whining about Wal-Mart, we need to study how they have become so competitive and follow their example.  If we continue thinking that we do not need to compete with the rest of the world, there will be no jobs left in the US.  And protectionism will not save us.  We will just get further behind the rest of the world.   
Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:38:38 AM
Walmart opened a "super center" near me not long ago, closing another store not far away. Since then, they seem to have even less in stock. In addition, they have at least 20 cash registers with only a few open at any one time. Even at the busiest times, there is no one to open a register to eliminate the wait time for customers. So, business can't be THAT good. While they have some good prices on housewares and personal items (though I'd suggest shopping around),  their food prices are high.
Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:54:08 AM
Have you EVER worked at wal-mart? I did 3 years. Never late-always worked when they said or needed. And I can count on 1 hand the 40 hrs weeks I got! $10 and hr! HA  only managment was making anywhere near that! most of us were making about $6.75 to $ 8.00. Out of 120 of use working at wal mart only 8 was getting FULL 40 hrs weeks! The rest was geting 29-32 hrs. Just enought to keep use from geting full time benefits!I can agree when they come in - jobs go. Before walmart was built. We had 2 mini malls and about 20 small reatil shops. ALL  the shops are gone and both  malls-about 10 small shops are gone and both are empty. For the last 10 years!Then they moved to make a BIGGER SUPERCENTER. The old wal mart has set unused for the past 8 years. Jst last week , a store that has been in this town for 50 years just closed. You can guess the reason why. We now have just 2 other "grocery" stores left. And both are just hanging on.
Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:08:53 AM
What obvious point the author misses is that while people probably don't buy more groceries because they're cheaper at walmart, they don't save the money either.  It's getting spent on something.  So, we're getting an increased standard of living.
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