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Jon Markman

SuperModels10/23/2009 12:01 AM ET

80 years later, this isn't '29 again

The conditions that led to the October market crashes of 1929 and 1987 simply aren't there today. But that doesn't mean a wipeout couldn't happen again.

By Jon Markman
MSN Money

In a few days, we will commemorate the 80th anniversary of the most searing event in the financial history of the United States: the great crash of October 1929. Many observers will contend the four-day collapse in share prices, which sparked the Great Depression like a match in a can of gasoline, could never happen again due to improvements in information flow and technology. Others will say it may recur any day now.

The reality is that a crash absolutely could happen again, though not for the same reasons as in '29 and not when most people expect it. So while you don't need to mark your calendar with a big red circle for at least the next four to six months, for reasons I will describe in a moment, the potential for a substantial decline in the future is something that all investors need to recognize.

So why not now?

Market crashes occur in the wake of extreme informational disequilibriums, which is a fancy way of saying big surprises. If a lot of people are expecting a crash, ipso facto it can't happen.

Though it may seem as if major surprises happen all the time, that's not exactly true for modern securities markets. Thanks to 24/7 news broadcasting, social networking, international commodity exchanges, central bankers' powwows and Group of 20 meetings, so much is known about business conditions, trade flows, interest rates and government policies today that price discovery -- the heart and soul of smoothly functioning markets -- occurs around the clock.

Nothing in common with '29

Today is quite unlike 1929 or even 1987, when government and corporate information was bottled up in each country and company, and dispensed thinly. The more information seeps out and oozes into the public for investors' rumination and consumption, the less likely surprises will occur.

In the 1920s, you see, corporate-disclosure rules were limited to a short list of balance-sheet line items. Today, rules set forth in seven decades of securities legislation, ranging from the Securities Act of 1933 to the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, have stampeded companies into issuing a news release practically every time their chief executives catch colds.

Video: We dodged a second Great Depression

Pre-announcements of earnings, same-store sales reports, presentations at investor conferences, detailed Securities and Exchange Commission filings, executives' TV appearances, Twitter messages and blog posts all serve to release billions of data points and nuances into the infosphere for alert investors' eyes and ears. There's surprisingly little chance for highly engaged market participants to be blindsided.

Moreover, virtually every major crash of the past century has started in October when a) stock markets were within inches of their all-time highs, b) public bullishness was at a peak, c) borrowing to buy stocks was at a peak and yet d) a smaller number of stocks was climbing. Three examples:

  • In 1929, the Dow Jones Industrial Average ($INDU) hit its then-all-time high Sept. 3, less than two months before the 82% crash began. The market had been rising steadily for eight years from its 1921 low for a total gain of 400%. But in the final six months of that period, breadth -- jargon for the ratio of advancing stocks to declining stocks and the ratio of new highs to new lows -- had been narrowing sharply.
  • In 1987, the Dow hit its then-all-time peak Aug. 25, nearly two months before prices tumbled 23% on Oct. 19. Before the September peak, stocks had risen 225% over the previous five years. Breadth had again been narrowing for months, as smart insiders and big investors crept out of shares while feeding them to the public.
  • In 2007, the Dow hit its all-time peak Oct. 10, and the ensuing slo-mo crash saw prices tumble 54% over the next 16 months. Before that top, stocks had risen 100% over four years, yet breadth had been narrowing for seven months.

Continued: No new crash in the cards -- yet

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Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:28:30 PM
Markman is an idiot...cheerleading the market like all the other sheep.
Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:37:14 PM
Does the advice to avoid dollar denominated bonds include TIPS?
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Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:40:10 PM
Jon,

Excellent well reasoned and researched article as always.  Always enjoy reading your thoughts on the condition of the markets.

Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:46:37 PM

Markman is telling us "the trend is our friend -- until it isn't." I think the Dow is way ahead of the economy and faces up to a 20% correction sooner rather than later because GDP forecasts will have to be shaded as early as 1Q 2010.

 

The basis for a larger leg down by 2012 will be the Fed's empty toolbox when it comes to paying back our foreign debt. Barron's demand (this week's issue) to raise the Fed rate to 2% now might be the last gasp before the dollar is devalued.

Friday, October 23, 2009 3:30:56 AM
Here is the only investment that will provide guaranteed returns:

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Friday, October 23, 2009 6:12:38 AM
I agree if we played by the same rules in 1929, that we would have seen a total crash of our markets, if we waited before infusing cash like in 1929 it would be real today as well.  We would have had the domino effect of the world markets, intertwined with us, that would have been crippled as well.
I am wondering, what happens if we don't pay back the foreign debt. If we sign the Cap and Trade Treaty as is, then we set up the new world bank, what does it matter. Our banks transfer power to world banks, we all have the same currency, (what's to pay back) the rules and regulations that we have come to play by are no longer valid. There becomes 1 stock market, (not as much fun because we become a little fish in a big pond) and the US rich nation that we are become just one of the worlds many children clambering for attention. Our constitution becomes null and void because the world treaty takes away our rights as a country, as individuals, with no 3 day rescind policy. Then if the bankers and boys on wall street don't want to play nice. The world bank takes all their money then takes them out back and ...... no more democracy. Its socialism at its finest. (see Lord Christopher Manckton speech on "climate change" MSN. He couldn't get a meeting w/ president Obama. (Al Gore was acting bouncer)  
Friday, October 23, 2009 6:29:48 AM

C'mon man! How many people knew about sub prime and derivatives which they dumped to make quick buck knowing it would eventually fail. We still have another one coming perhaps dow below or at 5000. Let love rule which is God not your demigod over paid executives, movie and rock stars, athletes, scientists, psychiatrists and others. there is a solution.Open-mouthed

Friday, October 23, 2009 6:55:06 AM
Not as many men wear hats as they did in 1929.....
Friday, October 23, 2009 7:20:05 AM
In the 1920's so called average people didn't know that the stock market or college even existed... That kind of stuff was for rich people, no one else was invited..
Friday, October 23, 2009 8:36:43 AM
If Markman was successful at predicting the market, he wouldn't be writing articles for a living.
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