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What's Buffett got against gold?

The Oracle of Omaha has become wealthy investing in undervalued companies that contribute valuable goods and services. Gold just sits there.

By InvestorPlace

Warren Buffett is an investing icon, and when he talks about the stock market, individual investors and Wall Street insiders alike take notice. Perhaps Buffett's most controversial investment advice regards gold prices. Gold bullion, gold miners and gold exchange-traded funds simply have no place in Warren Buffett's portfolio. And to hear Buffett tell it, gold should have no place in yours, either.

So what does Buffett have against gold? Well, the famous value investor has been pretty clear on this: Gold is, in a word, useless.

As early as 1998, the Oracle of Omaha was criticizing gold bugs. Buffett emphasized the nonproductive aspect of gold in a speech at Harvard that included this gem:

"(Gold) gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or someplace. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head."

He echoed these thoughts last year during an appearance on CNBC, when he was asked, "Where do you think gold will be in five years, and should that be a part of value investing?"

Buffett's answer: "I have no views as to where it will be, but the one thing I can tell you is it won't do anything between now and then except look at you. Whereas, you know, Coca-Cola (KO, news, msgs) will be making money, and I think Wells Fargo (WFC, news, msgs) will be making a lot of money and . . . it's a lot better to have a goose that keeps laying eggs than a goose that just sits there and eats insurance and storage and a few things like that."

Buffett struck a similar vein last month in an interview with Fortune.

"You could take all the gold that's ever been mined, and it would fill a cube 67 feet in each direction. For what that's worth at current gold prices, you could buy all -- not some -- all of the farmland in the United States," Buffett said. "Plus, you could buy 10 Exxon Mobils (XOM, news, msgs), plus have $1 trillion of walking-around money. Or you could have a big cube of metal. Which would you take? Which is going to produce more value?"

He has certainly stayed on message over the years. Key talking points for Buffett appear to be that gold is expensive to store, has no practical use and doesn't generate and income. Those are all pretty good reasons to hate gold.

For investors who think Buffett is wrong on gold, though, there are several ways to invest in the yellow stuff.

One of the most popular is through exchange-traded funds that operate as gold trusts – including SPDR Gold Shares (GLD, news, msgs) and iShares Gold Trust (IAU, news, msgs). These investments mirror the price of gold bullion and are a pure play on the metal, as opposed to investments in the shares of companies that mine gold.

What's more, these ETFs allow you to buy gold without worrying about the logistics of storing it or insuring it in your own home. The SPDR and iShares gold ETFs recently have exploded not just in popularity, but also in price, with the IAU and GLD ETFs both up about 23% so far this year, significantly outperforming the broader stock market.

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In 1998, the year that Buffett made his remarks at Harvard, gold averaged around $300 an ounce, meaning that anyone who bought an ounce of the precious metal back then would now be sitting on a return of 400%.

Shares of Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A, news, msgs), on the other hand, have appreciated about 140% since early 1998. That's significantly better than the broader market, but it doesn't come close to gold's advance.

In the short term, the results are varied. Gold prices are up about 53% since Buffett's March 2009 interview with CNBC, while Berkshire Hathaway stock has notched a 63% gain over the same period. Since the Fortune piece was published, gold has risen about 6%, while Berkshire Hathaway has sustained a small decline.

It's hard to tell what the future holds for gold, but one thing seems certain: Buffett will sit out the gold rush.

This article was reported by Jeff Reeves for InvestorPlace.

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12/11/2010 1:01 PM
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I think the Buff has it right on this one! When corporations start pushing hard for you to buy something, like they have gold lately, something is usually up. With technology today we could be close to being able to synthesize gold, now if they could you think they would tell all the investors or countries...Sorry gold is worthless! lol. But when the Sheet hits the fan and your setting on a pound of gold you might be able to trade it for a pound of food:)
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Gold has value and so does a hamburger if you are starving how much gold will a hamburger buy?

If you want to hold some gold fine but it's not the be all investment that they say.

Gold will fall in value again as it has in the past when it does it's going down fast.

Remember once it was said invest in real estate you can't loose if you invest in land and we all know how that worked out.

12/09/2010 10:06 AM
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Warren's not saying gold is worthless... in fact, he said you could buy up all the farmland, 10 XOMs, and have $1Trillion left over.  What I think he is saying is that it is much like cash... there is no "REAL" way to evaluate the demand and have expectations for reasonable returns.  It is much easier to look at an shares of an oil company and project the demand for oil and trends in gasoline and diesel consumption and make a good decision.  Gold is extremely speculative and its demand (and therefore price) is based almost entirely on gut feelings about how things are going in the world.  It is almost never "consumed".  99% of all the gold ever mined is still here and readily available.  No doubt it is worth a lot of money right now.  No doubt many have made a killing on the run up in price.  But it is neither the safe bet or value pick that Buffet is famous for making.  If I said we have reached the peak of gold prices all you could show me was a historical graph uptrend and point to how uncertain everyone feels as an arguement.  Compare that to the stock price of KO or XOM.  Gold is a bubble!  There is no underlying justification for the price of gold other than economic uncertainty.  When that goes away, so does everyone's earnings.  It is simply winning the popularity contest at the moment.
12/09/2010 6:02 AM
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gold is a fear based commodity in this economy, it backs nothing but teeth fillings and bling...the bubble is here. let go of your grandpa notions...invest in something we need
11/26/2010 12:09 PM
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Gold has just become the latest Wall Street scheme to separate people from their money. Who do you think makes money selling you those ETFs, mutual funds, private placements or derivatives that buys/sells/shorts/leverages gold? They do. Whether gold prices go up or down, they get their commissions and fees. Period. You take the risk, they get the money.

 

One thing that people who are so focused on the precious metal market fail to understand is what Buffett was saying a decade ago. And, it is the same reason that America's economy is in the ditch: if a nation puts all of its resources into unproductive activity, it will not last. In this silly game, someone wins, someone loses but the pie does not grow. The deficit, the national debt, the consumer debt, corporate leveraged buyout nonsense were all spawned from this one root cause. Those who play in this game are now actively employed in the ruin of the nation.

 

China is producing everything that a nation needs to live on. We are putting all of our money into precious metals, derivatives and insurance products. Who do you think is going to win in the end?

 

I guess the pain of the financial crisis has not changed America's failure of character or made Americans any smarter. There are things this nation needs to do to get out of its rut but putting all of the money into a pile of yellow metal (or paper based upon it) is not going to do it.

 

When gold performs as well as Buffett has over a period of 50 years (that's more than a 1000-fold increase) and employs as many people in the process, I will listen to this nonsense. Otherwise, don't hold your breath.

 

11/25/2010 1:59 AM
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Everyone that hates gold and/or fiat currency, just send it to me. I like and will accept both. Wink  Your trash is my treasure! Thumbs up
11/24/2010 8:58 PM
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l don't believe you Warren nomore

 

11/24/2010 5:47 PM
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Yah. He's right really. The value in Gold is really just that it is a safety haven. It's just a place to put money until people feel more secure in other investments that have real money making potential. The safety money in gold now will return to stocks at some point. The key is figuring out when that will be... good luck!
11/24/2010 5:17 PM
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Arrogance of arrogance Warren. Mankind has been investing in, and seeking security in, gold since it was first found. Now, you are smarter than all of mankind for all of the generations. I don’t think so. Warren, you are a stock picker not an economist or a political leader. Your association with Hollywood’s crowd has inflated your ego making you think you know more about things you know no more about than anyone else. Just like the Hollywood stars, you have forgotten that being a very good stock picker does not make you anything else.

11/24/2010 3:39 PM
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@THEKNOWER...What the hell have you been smoking one, sir? It sounds like you may have already had your baboon brain transplant and it is affecting your ability to think rationally.
11/24/2010 2:24 PM
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first of all, I would not buy a gold ETF that is based on futures because as one of the previous MSN articles stated, ETFs that are based on futures do not necessarily move in the same direction as the underlying asset, gold in this case, because of the necessary rollover to later contracts.

 

second of all, I disagree slightly with Warren about the utility of gold because it is used in high tech devices and is not completely recoverable, so it may increase in price not only due to inflation but also due to scarcity.  However, I do agree that investing in something that is not actively "trying to make money" is not the best strategy.  Even if one's goal is to preserve capital, investing in gold could be tricky, at least in a shorter time frame, because one may suffer losses due speculation and outside economic factors.

11/24/2010 2:10 PM
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This IS a NEW WORLD warren. You & co. have made money in the old world economy, ie, things people buy or use with fiat paper "money". LOOK at Zimbabwe. If you don't think WE are on the same track, then you're in need of a Baboon Brain Transplant. People literally burn Zimbabwe notes to cook and heat with you fools. They pan for gold in the streams and rivers FOR GOLD just to scrounge for a gram of GOLD for a loaf of bread.  Just keep laughing & snickering, then look at THE LAST DECADE and what do we see? GOLD AND SILVER have outperformed EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN! How's that for value, morons....................................
11/24/2010 1:29 PM
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All the gold bugs say to invest in gold because the dollar is worthless. Isn't gold still priced in dollars? It's a speculative play. Do I wish I had bought gold in 1998? Yes. But I'd be selling it today.
11/24/2010 12:19 PM
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I am not a die-hard gold bug, but I don't think Buffett is totally right either.

 

Gold is a good hedge to the long term decline of the dollar - the decline that almost everyone agree will happen. Contrary to some posters' criticism, gold is useful not just for end-of-world scenario - it is a useful diversification for normal but tubulent times too.

 

It is also not true that gold has no usage - it has industrial, decorative and dental usage. If it was not so expensive, gold's chemical property would certain find more industrial uses.

 

I don't think gold is for extremists, ideologues or conserveratives only. Gold is for everyone who is willing to be open-minded. But for selfish reason, I am glad that not everyone - including Buffet, agree.

11/24/2010 11:32 AM
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Ok everybody.  I have to agree with Warren.  First. for those of you that do not physically hold the gold you bought, good luck getting it or your investment back, when the global economy fails.  Second,  If you actually hold your tiny gold bits & bars have fun paying for food with it ... example ... lets see this ounce worth $1,500 so you need to give me that much in food ... uh... no I don't the farmer will say...  I'll trade you a chicken for it.  Boy that was a good investment...   Third.  Since you say that US or other currency is all but worthless ... and ... gold is worth say ... $1,500 dollars an ounce ... then one could argue that your gold is all but worthless.  How that for an argument against buying gold.  Gold is like any other investment ...You risk losing it all unless your are actively buying and selling (again like any other investment).  If your a collector of gold coins maybe you can pay for a loaf of bread with your $10,000 Stella.
11/24/2010 11:25 AM
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As a medium of exchange, gold takes immense, real resources to procure, compared to paper money or even cheaper electronic money.  If I'm trading for services rendered in the post-apocalypse, or even when the dollar has crashed, I want sacks of beans and corn, firewood, gasoline, whiskey, or boxes of .308WIN.  Keep the useless hunks of yellow.

The gold pimps are selling metallic currency simply because they are personally long on gold.  Better they should spend their breath preaching against the big, irrational fear and on behalf of confidence, but they've got an angle to work.

11/24/2010 11:16 AM
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Wake up and smell the bubble.
11/24/2010 11:12 AM
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it is osubucki19 at yhoo. 

11/24/2010 11:11 AM
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Make guaranteed money by paying for me to become a pilot because it has always been a dream of mine and then I will pay you back with interest.  There you go!  Better than gold or stocks!!   
11/24/2010 11:02 AM
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Why is this man trying so hard to be famous?  I don't get it.  If I had $50 billion, you would never see my face.  Does he have an ego problem, or was he just not picked enough in high school athletics?  

 

To seriously think that gold has no value is just stupid.  You're right, it isn't used in commercial products, but neither are US dollars nor any other currency.  I don't see dollars being ground into dust and put into products.  So does that mean they're worthless, Warren?  If so, why don't you give your dollars away.  Gold is a medium of exchange, the oldest actually, and thankfully, it can't be inflated on a government's whim.      

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