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Jim Jubak

Jubak's Journal5/1/2009 12:01 AM ET

Only 1 way out of big economic hole

Plunging deep into debt may have staved off a global catastrophe, but that debt now threatens to hinder growth and reduce living standards for a generation.

By Jim Jubak
MSN Money

Check 'em off. President Obama's first 100 days: done.

Now get ready for the hard part: the next 1,000 or so days.

That's about how long the United States and the rest of the world have to turn the anemic economic growth that now seems likely into the kind of strong economic growth we need to pay down the huge pile of debt we've created in our efforts to stave off a global financial meltdown.

Without growth higher than is now projected, the burdens of this crisis will linger for a generation in the form of lower living standards and higher interest rates, taxes and inflation. And, unfortunately, the world's economic experts know even less about creating stronger growth -- without creating a bubble -- than they do about fixing a global credit crunch and a deep recession.

Projections don't look good

It's not that stopping the global financial crisis was easy. Or that the world banking system is fixed and the world economy is on the road to a turnaround. Despite considerable progress, it remains very much a work in progress.

It's just that the next part is even harder. Most of the world's economies -- the United States', the United Kingdom's and Japan's, in particular -- have dug themselves very, very deep holes in an effort to end the economic and financial crises. Strong economic growth, for a decade or so, offers the only comfortable way out of the hole. Alternatives such as runaway inflation or Draconian cuts in living standards have major, what shall we say, disadvantages.

But all the signs point to what amounts to only anemic economic growth at best. The world economy, according to projections by the International Monetary Fund, will contract 1.3% this year and grow just 1.9% in 2010.

Unemployment in the major world economies won't peak until near the end of 2010, the organization projects. And the longer-term news for growth is just as depressing: The U.S. economy, for example, won't return to its full potential growth until 2015, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Europe, Japan suffering, too

The short-term hole many of the world's developed economies face is daunting. In the United Kingdom, in many ways the worst hit of the world's major economies, the government's budget deficit is projected to reach 9.8% of gross domestic product in 2009 and climb to 10.9% in 2010. Japan is next worst off, with an annual deficit of 9.6% of GDP in 2009; the U.S. follows, with 8.8% of GDP.

The biggest deterioration, though, is in Germany, where the annual deficit is expected to climb to 6.2% of GDP in 2009 from 4.7% in 2008. That's a result of the collapse of the German economy, which is projected to shrink 6% this year. That's the worst decline for Germany's economy in the post-World War II period.

These immediate deficits wouldn't be so bad if 1) many developed economies hadn't racked up such big accumulated debt loads in the years before the crisis and 2) so many weren't facing huge, long-term challenges from an aging population or, in the case of the United Kingdom, from rapidly dropping oil revenue.

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Debt in US, United Kingdom will rival GDP

What's the long-term picture? Japan's accumulated debt burden is projected to climb to 197% of GDP in 2010, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

Government calculations in the United Kingdom put the debt burden at 76% by 2013, up from just 50% in 2008. Economists outside the government say the assumptions in those calculations are too optimistic and put the debt burden at 80% by 2013. In the U.S., the accumulated deficit is projected to climb to 77% in 2010 from 70% in 2008.

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How bad is it to carry an accumulated debt that's 80% or 200% of the size of a country's entire economy? It turns out that it depends on the economy:

  • If you're Hungary, a country with relatively untested financial institutions, an accumulated deficit of 70% triggers a financial crisis that requires a bailout by the International Monetary Fund, as happened this year.

  • If you're the United Kingdom, with one of the oldest central banks in the world and a government that the financial markets believe will tax its population into penury rather than consent to an Argentina-like default, you can run a 70% debt burden without losing your AAA credit rating.

  • If you're the U.S. and own the printing presses that create the world's reserve currency, you keep your AAA credit rating because the world holds so much of your paper that a downgrade is simply too painful to contemplate.

Continued: Inflation, slow growth, higher taxes

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:52:20 PM

The only thing growing is the government and it's insane spending.

There is no force driving the private economy.

 

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:00:19 PM
"it's "does not contain an apostrophe the way you used it. it should be "its"
Friday, May 01, 2009 1:33:54 AM
We need to develop job training programs for the 21st Century that will benefit the entire country,not just the Wall St fatcats.No one wants to train anyone anymore and their solution is to flood the country with foreigners taking away good paying jobs from Americans.That should be a criminal act treated as a felony!
Friday, May 01, 2009 5:25:15 AM

We need to fix the real problem which is the work ethics.  This country was built on HARD work.  If we want to straighten out the economy people have to be willing to work for a living and stop looking for the get rich quick. Just look at how rich the scam artists, here and those scamming from overseas, are taking everyone for a ride with the prime example of Madoff.  An personal attitude adjustment of pride in one's work and an honest day's work for an honest day's pay at all levels.  You can't cry when everyone buys foreign made items over internal mad junk.  You want to get the country on track? Start with the foundation and make "American with Pride" more than just a meaningless phrase.  Now don't mistake me, there are people out there who do take pride in what they do.

Friday, May 01, 2009 5:27:08 AM

Your Right there is only one way out!

This is how it has to be.  The people are the ultimate key here.

In order to stimulate the economy the people have to be given the stimulus money.  I'm talking every adult citizen in the U.S.  This will in turn put money back into banks and lending institutions and see the economy heal overnight. 

I'm not talking the pennies the government wants to give us now,  I mean $100,000 dollars.  I know this sounds crazy but just think about the debts that would be paid, (student loans, Car loans ,Mortgages, Medical bills).  People would once again be able to enjoy spending and would watch there credit more closely.

We have become a credit society and the only way out is to pay off that which we owe.  "We the People"  and soon to be We the oh-well sh!^ happens people.  Are the one that are ultimately paying this mess off.  Let's do something that is really going to work.

This really is a no brainer, it has to be or the futile attempts to keep bailing out just the banks and companies will fail!  I hope i don't sound too pessimistic but it's obvious boys and girls our leaders aren't leading.  This is a new way of thinking because it not the same old "My grand-pappy did it that way and by golly i'm going to do it that way too" world we live in.  Come on this is the twenty FIRST century, not the 18th. 

Well, folks hope is all we have at this point in the game.

Patrick Sutton

Friday, May 01, 2009 5:48:58 AM

The President acts and implies he knows something the rest of us don't. The way he addresses the economy seems to me to be reasonable in some ways and irresponsible in others. But ALL the experts have told him more debt is the way to fix things? The jury is still out on whether he is right or wrong. The end result will be the judge and respective jury. Good luck Mr. President, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes if you're wrong.

Friday, May 01, 2009 5:50:00 AM
THE FAT CATS OF WALL STREET AND THE BIG BANKS ARE GETTING THE BAILOUT .  WHEN THE PEOPLE ARE THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THE ECONOMY.  TRUCKING HAS GONE FROM COWBOYS OF THE ROAD TO SO MANY RESTRICTIONS THAT IT IS GETTING HARDER AND HARDER FOR A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER TO MAKE IT WORK.  SOME HAVE GONE FROM MAKING 10,000.00 A MONTH TO 2,000.00 A MONTH AND THAT'S SINCE THE FIRST OF THE YEAR TRUCKING IS THE BACK BONE OF THIS COUNTRY WHEN THERE DOWN THERE'S NO PRODUCT BEING MOVED. THERE ARE FAMILIES OUT THERE THAT HAVE BEEN IN TRUCKING FOR GENERATIONS AND ALWAYS PAID THERE TAXES AND RUN LEGAL WHERE'S THE HELP FOR THEM,  AND ALL SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS.
Friday, May 01, 2009 7:23:55 AM
"we need to pay down the huge pile of debt we've created"
NOW HOLD YOUR HORSES THERE BIG GUY. What's this "WE" thing your talking about? I had nothing to do with all these handouts and bailouts the Obama clan provided to his political buddies. Go tell all the pro Obama supporters and all the "Hope" dreamers that voted for this moron to pay this bill. Also tell all the young people who bought into this bull of "to do nothing is not exceptable" mentallity that they now have to fork over more of their pay checks to this corrupt government. Yes ladies and gents, when you take a trillion dollars as a loan, you are then stuck paying back 1.5 trillion++ everybody seems to forget about that little compounded interest added to the final tab. It adds up very fast just like your credit cards. I ask, where's all these shovel ready construction jobs? I haven't seen one person hired to do any type of road repairs including the one that I live on, which is riddled with pot holes. So keep voting for these tax and spend politicians and soon 50% of your pay check will be going to a corrupt government which feeds it's political supports all they can eat. I really feel sorry for the young people that are going to have to pay these bills, you supported this, but you brought it upon yourselves.
Friday, May 01, 2009 7:49:48 AM

The math just doesn't work.  There are approximately 220 million adults in the US.  To give them each $100,000 would mean an expenditure of $22 trillion (or almost twice of the US GDP, estimated at $14B in 2008).  There are two ways to make this happen.  1) raise taxes to 175% 2) print $22 trillion dollars, at which point every dollar is worth about 35 cents, and the entire world economy collapses.

 

Even if you distributed all of the stimulus money directly to the people, you'd be talking about around $6,000 per person - certainly not life changing.  And that would be with no money to preserve the banks, build new roads, etc.

 

I'm not arguing that the current stimulus plans necessarily make sense - I think that some of the 'too big to fail' banks should probably have been allowed to collapse.  That's why we have the FDIC. 

 

But just throwing the money straight at the population isn't the answer either.

 

Friday, May 01, 2009 7:53:31 AM

The only way out of this is to let nature take its coarse.  Housing prices were way too hight.  The correction in house prices will allow for a lower cost of living for those 15-25.  This will mean less of their income will go towards interest and debt, and more towards real economic production.

The second item is once people save they earn on that savings.  Long term this is economic stimulative.  The savings rate rising may hurt us now, but it is the solotion for the long run.

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