Jim Jubak: How to invest for the next bubble

Jubak's Journal11/11/2010 8:39 PM ET

How to invest for the next bubble

With the Fed and cash-rich China both pumping cheap money into the system, another global bubble looks likely. Do you play for a sudden pop or a slow deflation?

By Jim Jubak

Double, double, toil and trouble.

The world's financial markets are facing only two witches stirring the pot, but between them they're quite capable of adding a third bubble and bust in 2011 to the run of busts that began in 2000 and continued in 2007-08.

I'd be a lot less worried about a potential financial bubble if it were just the Federal Reserve stirring the pot by setting 600 billion greenbacks loose on the global financial markets by the end of June 2011.

But the Chinese government, with its $2.65 trillion in foreign-exchange reserves, can be as much of a force -- possibly more so -- in the inflating of any new bubble.

China's effort to give that cash a home, and earn a decent return on it, is pushing up the price of iron mines, oil fields, gold and the value of bonds denominated in Aussies, loonies and reals.

That makes figuring out what to do about a potential 2011 bubble and bust -- following in the footsteps of the bear market of 2000 and the financial crisis and bear market of 2007-09 -- so difficult. But in my Nov. 8 column on the potential for a bubble ("Oops, has the Fed done it again?"), I said I'd try.

So here's how I'd approach the possibility of another bubble and bust.

In that column, I laid out the reasons to think that the Federal Reserve might be creating another bubble, so I'm not going to cover that ground again. But let me take a paragraph or so to explain China's role in any potential bubble.

China's rise pushes prices higher

China currently plays two roles in inflating asset prices around the world.

First, China's extraordinary 10% growth rate becomes an excuse for investors to bid the price of global assets higher. Oil should sell for higher prices, for example, because China will need so much more of it in the coming decades. On Nov. 9, the International Energy Agency forecast that China's demand for energy will jump 75% by 2035. China alone will account for 36% of the growth in global energy use during that period.

The same story is used by traders and investors and Wall Street analysts to justify ever-higher prices for copper, corn, iron ore, nickel -- you name it.

China's economic growth is indeed stunning, but investing logic says some part of that future growth is already embedded in today's asset prices. And economic history tells us that higher prices change consumer behavior. We can already see that in China's drive to follow the path of Japan, Germany and even the United States in reducing the energy intensity of its economy -- learning to do more while using less energy and fewer raw materials.

Those two factors set up the likelihood that at some point, China's demand for these commodities will disappoint investors even if China continues to grow at today's stunning rates.

Second, think about what eventually happens to all those cash surpluses that China accumulates. They don't just sit in a vault somewhere; they get managed. That means China buys things: U.S. Treasurys, Canadian debt, gold, iron ore mines, Greek government debt. And whatever China buys trades at a higher price than it otherwise would have.

Money needs a home

In one critical way, the $600 billion let loose by the Fed's program to buy Treasurys and China's $2.65 trillion in foreign-exchange reserves have the same effect. All this money -- from other sources -- is looking for profitable homes. And as it flows to whatever assets and markets promise those homes, the total $3.5 trillion (or more than $5 trillion, if you add in the $1.75 trillion in the Federal Reserve's first program of quantitative easing) bids up the prices of the assets in those markets.

And the biggest effect is on asset prices -- whether for stocks, real estate, iron ore mines or oil fields -- in developing economies. Yields are higher, growth rates are higher, recent and potential returns are higher there. Why wouldn't money searching for a home head in that direction?

But as I noted in my Nov. 8 column, developing economies don't present the largest and most liquid markets. India, for example, is struggling to absorb the $25 billion -- the highest amount on record -- that has flowed into Indian stocks from overseas equity funds in 2010.

Looking for Mr. Bubble

So $25 billion is a problem when the Federal Reserve and China are talking about trillions? Do you see the mismatch that might lead to an asset bubble in the world's developing economies?

How close are these markets to bubble territory? They're on their way, according to research from Morgan Stanley.

The good news is that at 22 times earnings adjusted for the economic cycle, the emerging markets traced by the MSCI Emerging Markets Index are just slightly more expensive than the Standard & Poor's 500 Index ($INX), which trades at 21 times cyclically adjusted earnings. In further good news, the MSCI index is 14% below its 2008 peak. (By the way, the exchange-traded fund that tracks this is the iShares MSCI Emerging Markets Index (EEM, news, msgs).)

So we've still got a way to run, right?

The picture isn't quite so reassuring, however, if you take apart the index and separate the still-below-peak valuation markets from the already-above-peak valuation markets.

Morgan Stanley reports that the stock markets of Colombia, Chile, India, Indonesia, Peru and the Philippines are all trading at multiples more than 50% above the average for the MSCI Emerging Markets Index for the past five years. (The corresponding good news is that Russia, Hungary, Poland and South Korea all trade at least 25% below the emerging markets average for the period.)

Continued: Not all bubbles explode

More from MSN Money and MoneyShow.com

 1 | 2 | 3 | next >

Rate this Article

Click on one of the stars below to rate this article from 1 (lowest) to 5 (highest). LowHigh
MoneyShow.com
23Comments
11/22/2010 10:12 PM
avatar

It's all Greek to me.

 

When I get a job so I have the money to buy the stocks, I will let you know. Otherwise, I will read your articles with a bit of wonder that the plate spinning is still going on.

11/12/2010 7:59 PM
avatar
havasu....yes the FED is run by governors and a chairman appointed by the government but it is owned by banking families who started it in 1913 (I believe the year was) in a clandestine meeting in the middle of the night and by law they cannot ever sell their shares but must pass them down in the family. Also by law they get 6% dividend per year on their shares. You might want to read a factual and well known book called the "Creature from Jekyll Island"...it will enlighten you about he FED. You can also see numerous videos online from G Edward Griffin who has done tremendous research on all this. It is a real eye opener.
11/12/2010 5:12 PM
avatar
America has become a greedy, greedy country. Until we decide to live withing our means we are going to have problem. We need to strengthen the dollar and put AMERICANS BACK TO WORK.  A total revision of the Federal Income Tax is in order. PAY A PERECENTAGE of you salary and stop taxing savings. .
11/12/2010 4:40 PM
avatar
Honestly, there's probably nothing wrong with Socialism, given the excesses and greed of American citizens!
11/12/2010 4:34 PM
avatar

Curtis is probably right!  I live in Oklahoma and know of many personal friends who moved south of the border into Texas and made millions at the expense of the unlucky who's timing just wasn't there.  Well Enron for example.  That's the way they do business in Texas.  It's all about Texas hold 'em and Texas fold 'em.  Point being that most of America works much harder for a living and never see's the benefits of their hard work.  There is a Socialist movement in this Country, make no mistake about that.  This time, the Indians might win!

11/12/2010 4:24 PM
avatar
Pay off your house!  At least when everything is going down the drain,  you can stay out of the rain!
11/12/2010 4:22 PM
avatar

When the bubble explodes because of worthless currency being saturated in the world commerce.  The world will change!  Their will be only the very Rich and the very Poor.

Their will be two America's, one capitalism and one socialism. The western and northern states will be socialized and live under a socialize government. The southern and mid west states will operate under capitalism, with very little entitlement programs if any.  This will be the result after mass government melt down. With fuel and food prices extremely high, people will now kill for. Their will be another civil war in America! The old America of capitalism VS the new America of socialism.  God Bless us All!

 

11/12/2010 3:23 PM
avatar
sunnyoutlook The seven members of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate. A full term is fourteen years. One term begins every two years, on February 1 of even-numbered years. A member who serves a full term may not be reappointed.  Greenspan was appoint by Reagan, Bernanke by Bush.  The FED is governed by people appointed by politicians NOT wealthy families.  The Great Depression was created by wealthy families and the FED was created to avoid that mistake.  The financial crisis was the VOTERS fault.
11/12/2010 1:06 PM
avatar
havasu....yes people in this country living way beyond their means certainly brought things down around our heads but you are naive to think the FED was not the major contributor to this mess.....Greenspan with his loose monetary policy and cheap money for years and the banks with their creative financial vehicles .....yes and Barney Franks and company wanting everyone in this country to own a home......even if you cannot afford it played into the plan. You can manipulate masses with debt and guess what....most people in this country fell for that one. The big banking families who own the banks also own the FED and no matter if you call it whining that is a fact and creates a stacked deck against most of us. It is like the saying goes....follow the money.
11/12/2010 12:05 PM
avatar
The technical indicators actually did signal a top in the summer of 2007. I took some of my investments off the table then. Unfortunately, I misread the indicators in January 2008 and got back in.
11/12/2010 11:39 AM
avatar

The more money looking for investment yield means that any yield obtained will be progressively lower, until......?

 

It is clear from millenia of evidence that what man does best is to ultimately create insurmountable problems for himself that serve to progressively threaten his sustainability until it cannot any longer be sustained. We are well on our way to attain that unconsicious and perhaps hardwired end.

11/12/2010 11:27 AM
avatar
Sorry Jubak... but there is no such thing as a return on gold.  Gold' monetary value is always constant - only its nominal value (priced in fiat currencies) changes.  China knows this.  They are doing it so that although they are unwise to inflate the rnb with the dollar, at least their reserves will retain global purchasing power.  Or should I say domestic purchasing power since they make most everything.
11/12/2010 11:27 AM
avatar

Over the past months Jim has supported investment in emerging markets.  Unless I am reading this article incorrectly it seems that he now thinks that the emerging markets are being set up for a bubble and their inevitable crash.  What do we do now that we have followed his advice and even own some of his mutual fund?

11/12/2010 10:42 AM
avatar
I will store this advice with the column you wrote about the big correction that was going to take place in October before the elections......
11/12/2010 10:14 AM
avatar

For the life of me, I do not get the fascination with gold.

"Investors regard it as a stable source of value..."
"... because gold has relatively few industrial uses..."

Valuing something that has few uses makes no sense. It's just as arbitrary as anything else... an illusion... a perception... and will tank just like anything else. All these investors and analysts that keep trumping up the value of gold are in for a world of hurt when it comes crashing back to reality. And it will.

11/12/2010 9:55 AM
avatar
@SunnyOutlook That's the same ol' whining rhetoric.  The only reason we're not in a depression is because Uncle Sam and the Fed have pumped enough liquidity into the financial system to re-inflate the money supply from the failed banking and real estate experiment the voters demanded from their liberal and conservative representatives.   The voters (read you and me) are the blame for the mess where in because we keep electing people that give us sh*t we haven't earned (read mortgage deductions, welfare, union bailouts, education waste and on and on).   Start voting for people that'll cut government handouts and spending.
11/12/2010 9:41 AM
avatar

Let's face it....the big banking families(who own the central banks) control the money flow around the globe and boom/bust cycles make them and the rich richer....the rest of us are the fallout. We could start leveling the playing field by eliminating the FED in this country.

11/12/2010 9:39 AM
avatar
How to invest for the next bubble????
Do the opposite of everyone else, avoiding the bubble entirely.
11/12/2010 8:50 AM
avatar
How to invest for the next bubble????

 

Go out and get a Great Hedge Fund Manager. These guys seem to know how to do it, but you will need several Million to get in the Game!

11/12/2010 8:29 AM
avatar
Stop loss orders at varying levels for different assets make some sense, as do covered calls.
Report
Please help us to maintain a healthy and vibrant community by reporting any illegal or inappropriate behavior. If you believe a message violates theCode of ConductPlease use this form to notify the moderators. They will investigate your report and take appropriate action. If necessary, they report all illegal activity to the proper authorities.
Categories
Additional comments(optional)
100 character limit
Are you sure you want to delete this comment?
viewCounter