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Extra10/16/2009 12:01 AM ET

Why stocks are surging as jobs disappear

The gap between Wall Street and Main Street has rarely been wider. Eventually, they'll have to run in parallel. But in which direction?  

By U.S. News & World Report

Stocks are up. Jobs are down. So if you're an investor you're enjoying a vibrant recovery and if you're a worker it still feels like a grinding recession.

Since bottoming out in March, the stock market has soared by about 60%, one of the most awesome rallies in market history. The Dow Jones Industrial Average ($INDU) cracking 10,000 may not be strategically significant, but it's a psychological breakthrough that's worth cheering after the demoralizing crash that preceded it.

While the Dow has been racing upward, however, the unemployment rate has also skyrocketed, from 8.5% in March to 9.8% now. The economy has lost 7.2 million jobs since the recession began at the end of 2007, and the trend is still going the wrong way. The unemployment rate will almost certainly hit 10% and hover near there before gradually declining.

So are job losses good for the stock market? Actually, yes. At least for a while.

Stocks are rising because many companies are earning more money than analysts have expected. But earnings aren't up because companies are selling more stuff; most companies are still selling less and grappling with falling revenue. Instead, earnings are rising because companies have cut their costs more than revenues have fallen.

And "costs" are often the same as "jobs." Consider these snippets from some recent earnings reports:

Johnson & Johnson (JNJ, news, msgs) said third-quarter revenue declined 5.3% percent but net earnings rose 1.1%.

Domino's Pizza (DPZ, news, msgs) said revenue declined 6% in the third quarter while net earnings soared 77%.

Abbott Laboratories (ABT, news, msgs) reported that its third-quarter revenue rose 3.5% but net earnings shot up 36.5%.

PepsiCo (PEP, news, msgs) revenue slipped 1.5% in the third quarter but its net earnings climbed 9.5%.

Alcoa (AA, news, msgs) said its third-quarter revenue rose 9% and it swung to a narrow profit of $124 million, compared with a $459 million loss in the previous quarter.

Each of these companies laid off workers over the last two years, probably necessary to keep the companies healthy.

And it's worth keeping in mind that when earnings outperform revenue, it's a sign that the company is well-run (assuming there's no Enron-style hocus-pocus). But CEOs also know that you can't grow a company or keep juicing the stock price by cutting costs and slashing jobs.

Real growth only comes from new customers, new business and increased revenue. And on that measure, the outlook is murky for both the stock and job markets.

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The same workers who have been getting laid off, improving the cost profile for many companies, are also consumers running out of money to spend. Some are going bankrupt, defaulting on bank loans and losing their homes. That's a major risk to corporate profits -- and stock prices -- down the road.

Some companies will be able to coast for a while. The weak dollar and relatively strong economies in Asia and parts of Europe and South America, for example, are good news for U.S. exporters, since it helps them offset weak domestic sales with stronger business overseas. And more-efficient companies can withstand lean times longer.

But most American companies still rely on American consumers to keep business humming. Sooner or later, the U.S. job and stock markets need to go in the same direction.

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The question is whether the job market will hitch onto the coattails of the stock market, with companies starting to hire as their fortunes improve -- or stocks will turn south as the ranks of the unemployed swell.

Good thing workers and investors both have become familiar with uncertainty.

This article was reported by Rick Newman for U.S. News & World Report.

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Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:11:17 PM

The only time the United States enjoyed a stable, extended period of economic growth were during the times in its history where the wealth of the country were more well distributed than it is now. Every time the imbalance becomes extreme (like during the 1920s and now), the incompetence, greed and personal weaknesses of the ruling class shows itself and is reflected in the problems of the economy and society of those times.

 

The only thing that has saved America from the fate of other nations is its democratic and egalitarian tendencies as well as the breadth of its middle class. Once these things are endangered, the rest collapses - the selfish, lazy and ignorant take over from the practical, ambitious and diligent.

 

Do not be confused by the posts about "socialism" (or other "Red Scare" tactics) that pit the middle class against each other and the poor. This is just the lackies of the ruling class trying to prevent the nation in exercising its natural right to fight for what is fair, right and good. If these people really do believe what they say then they are very lost; they no longer understand the principles of their own country's history (or success) or who they fight for.

 

Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:22:17 PM
Obama spent billions to "stimulate" the economy and create jobs.  But where are the JOBS?  Here they are - the fed gov't funnelled billions to the state so they can hire more workers to process the Unemployment Benefits - the "changes we all can believe in".  Before you all branding me as a "right wing nut" - I voted for Obama and I was laid off in June, 2009.
Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:25:03 PM

I agree wordfrominside.

 

I vote for market tanking when reality sets in that a lot of the lost jobs are not coming back.

 

I have a 401K.  Enjoying the market rally and selling into it.  I am not at all convinced this is for real.

Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:39:02 PM
I disagree with worldfrominside.  This is an attempt to redistribute your paycheck, if you still have one.  You cannot create jobs by government spending.  Anyone who has researched the subject knows that the housing bubble started with the Community Reinvestment Act enacted during the Clinton Administration and promoted by liberals like Barney Frank which forced banks to lower the standards to obtain mortgages.  This was to allow  poor and low- income people to buy houses they really could not afford. Goombayyah!  Then the greedy bankers used the low standards to promote risky loans and make millions.  Whenever you have no oversight, no regulation, you will have out of control greed and chaois.  This is not right-wing rhetoric, its the truth.   Also, our country is being invaded by millions of poor people from other countries, some legal, some not.  They all want free stuff from the government.  Sure they are hard working, but they have six or eight kids.  Whatever pittance they pay in taxes is more than used up in services, like education, medical, court system, etc. (You can be here illegally and file a lawsuit). Now they want free health care.  Who is going to pay for it?  We Americans are.  Barack Obama said his health care system would not include illegals, but that is a joke.  They already tried that in Texas,  excluding illegals' children from the school system. Guess what? the supreme court overruled that little law.  Under the constitution, you cannot exclude any group of people from a government service.  So within months of passing any health care bill, all illegals will  have to be included.  If you think health insurance is high now, just wait.   WAKE UP AMERICA.  WE NEED TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.  The Republicans are just a bad as the democrats.  The Republicans want cheap labor, lawyers want lawsuits and foreclosures.  They are ruining our country.
Friday, October 16, 2009 12:53:00 AM

Both wordfrominside and worldfromcommonses make good points. However, all their words really mean nothing to the rest of us as far as who's at fault.  Illegal immigrants, socialism, etc. none of that is really the problem. The real problem & I think a good number of other people would agree, is the CEO's & their only goal of making their companies stock prices look good, politicians that are controlled by special interest groups (who are well compensated for "listening" to these paid reps)  "We the people" do not have a chance in hell or a real voice in our government. The real bottom line here is greed and the anyway you can make a buck mentality that permeates this country and there is no going back. We have crossed a line, we have way exceeded that line. It is every "man" for himself. Beware, the greed feeders are still there, just waiting to rip you off again. Do not fall for this stock market rally or any other indicator that says we are recovering, it is to soon, to fast, and unemployment is to high to support this psuedo recovery.

 

 

Friday, October 16, 2009 12:53:24 AM

It has been reported that the stimulus money helped to create jobs in most states, road and other infrastructure repairs, at a cost of about $75,000.00 Sad per taxpayer – so far.

Friday, October 16, 2009 12:57:22 AM

I agree with worldfromcommonsense except that most of the invasion is by illegal’s.

 

Friday, October 16, 2009 5:26:58 AM
These days everyone only talks about illegal immigrants. They forget about the intelligent and hardworking legal immigrants who are the ones who shaped the US. These legal immigrants are being given a tough time today (questioned at airports, rejected at embassies abroad for a visa, given 1 year driving licences which must be renewed every year, made to pay social security and medicare tax when they can never apply for either of these benefits) so most of these intelligent legal immigrants (IQ well above average americans) are turning back and going back home. Obviously, jobs will follow them to their home countries. Unless the doors are opened to these immigrants once again, job growth ain't never gonna happen ever.
Friday, October 16, 2009 5:54:26 AM
Why are we so tolerant about illegal aliens and most of the rest of the world isn't? I believe they should ALL be sent back regardless of their reasons for being here.  We do have laws for legal immigration, and as far as asylum, forget it.  We have our own elderly and poor who need our help and with this economy, matters have worsened for people who lived marginally.  Yes I am sorry life sucks for some people where they came from, but change never occurs unless people are willing to work to change it.  I have been out of work two years so don't tell me about letting illegal people remain...
Friday, October 16, 2009 5:54:54 AM
Kishore3456 you need to go back to where you came from. You are the kind of legal immigrant we do not need. If you do not like our laws then go home. 9/11 will forever haunt this country and changed the way the people in this country react toward "outsiders" especially toward people from the middle east. If you were here at that time then you should understand it. If we brought back the jobs we have outsourced to overseas firms to the US then we would be able to put everyone back to work. What we really need to do is stop allowing any immigrants into this country until we put Americans back to work!
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