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Why Gen Y might never retire

A generation that's coming of age in a rocky market is investing too carefully for its own good. Without a change, these young savers may lack the nest eggs they'll need someday.

By Kathy Kristof
MSN Money

Coming of age during a disastrous decade for stocks is shaping a generation of ultraconservative investors, and they're shunning the equity portfolios of their parents for the hiding places of their great-grandparents.

It's ironic, to say the least. Americans in Generation Y -- definitions vary, but generally those born from 1977 to 1994 -- have grown up with X Games and globalization. They spend their time paragliding in the Alps or snowboarding on half-pipes. They fearlessly dine on mystery meat bought from street vendors in Mongolia and run careers off laptops fired up in Internet cafes in Southeast Asia.

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But when it's time to invest, they're as risk-averse as their Depression-era forefathers. That could prove to be a personal-finance mistake of epic proportions.

"Holding on to the coping behaviors that you learned in a crisis almost always proves to be a disaster in the long run," said Brad Klontz, a Honolulu psychologist who specializes in money disorders. "It's like soldiers who learn to distance themselves from what's going on around them to cope in a war. If you use those same coping techniques when you return, it will destroy everything else in your life."

It's overly dramatic to say that investing like a scared rabbit could ruin your life. But it could certainly affect your ability to free yourself of the working world anytime before you draw your last breath.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained

Seasoned investors also say it's a shame because young investors could potentially amass a fortune by being aggressive in bad times like these. And they're likely to need a fortune, because of crumbling public and private pension systems that other generations were able to lean on to help support them in their old age.

They'll need to rely more on what they can create with their 401(k)s and individual retirement accounts than their parents or grandparents have had to.

Yet scared-rabbit investing is almost all that Klontz is seeing, with 20- and 30-somethings putting their retirement money in bank accounts, Treasurys or gold to simply "preserve" their savings.

Other advisers report much the same. Their youthful clients maintain they're too poor to risk throwing good money after bad. Growth? It's hard to believe in.

When stock values dropped in half amid the mortgage mess, youthful investors fled to the safety of bank deposits.

80% without even a 401(k)?

Of course, whether this anecdotal evidence relays an accurate picture of an entire generation is difficult to know. Getting reliable, up-to-date data on what different generations of investors are doing with their money is tricky because most official data are released years late, and survey data are notoriously inaccurate, said Dallas Salisbury, the president of the Employee Benefit Research Institute in Washington, D.C.

One reason: Financial jargon is about as familiar to an ordinary American investor as Punjabi. (What's that, you ask? Exactly.) Ask individuals whether they're invested in money markets or equities, for example, and you're likely to get a wrong answer because they don't know the difference, Salisbury said.

Indeed, when the Transamerica Center for Retirement Studies recently asked members of the cohort it defines as Generation Y -- those born from 1979 to 1986, a narrow slice -- what they were invested in, the largest group (31%) said they didn't know.

Of those who thought they knew, 48% were at least half invested in supersafe vehicles such as cash, bonds and money market accounts. Only 22% were mostly invested in stocks, as most advisers would recommend.

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Fidelity Investments, which compiles data on participants in its own retirement plans, sees less conservatism among Generation Y but concedes that its data reflect a small subset of the population. Only about half of all workers have access to a 401(k) plan, and only about 40% of the 20-somethings who are offered a 401(k) even participate, said Michael Doshier, the vice president of marketing for Fidelity's workplace investing group in Boston.

That leaves roughly 80% of Gen Y members investing outside workplace retirement plans, if at all. And, anecdotally at least, they're saving in bank accounts and similar low-yielding vehicles.

It's a generation that might as well be stuffing its money under the mattress.

"They're spooked," Catherine Collinson, the president of the Transamerica Center, explained of the ultraconservative bent taken by these youthful investors. "It's not just stock valuations but the number of Ponzi schemes that have come out lately. People are naturally rattled."

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Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:52:11 AM

The answer to this is not to have "CHILDREN"  Heck according to the creator the "Gate is narrow and many will will not get through".  This leaves 80%-90% going to "HELL" . 

 Sounds like reason enough not to have children, especially if only a small number go to heaven.  Who would want to bring a child into this world only to sentence them to eternal damnation in the next???

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:31:38 AM

You forgot to mention that maybe the reason they don't have to invest much is because they will inherit so much and are given so much by their parents.   One thing people never want to admit to is how much they are given.  Like if you are given your college education, given your first car, or given the down payment on your first home.    According to the IRS 63% of all first time home buyers are given the down payment.  That is a fact, not an opinion.  When people don't have others to rely on they will save and invest, otherwise, why bother when you don't need to?

 

I notice here at work that people in their twenties own property, something that was unheard of thirty years ago.  They also drive new cars, which is highly unusual for their age.    The signs of giving are all around us.   You know when somebody has been given a lot because they are never very worried or frightened. 

 

By the way, the World War 2 generation left 22 trillion to their descendants.  That's right, I said trillion not billion.  I thought you might like to know that in case you wondered where all the money for the housing bubble came from a few years ago.  Now that that generation has finally died off, there is no more money to splurge on giant homes, thus, the collapse in home prices.

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:37:30 AM

Generation Y is not universally that extreme sport globe trotting group the article portrays so ridiculously that it is worse than a bad characature.  It also has better reasons for not investing in the markets.

 

First, it tends to spend what it has, leaving little for savings of any sort. 

 

Second, it looks around and sees that the markets are a crap shoot, governed by emotion and manipulation, and filled with investment vehicles that are not only difficult to decipher, but as the current meltdown can attest to, complete bs packaged and oversold by Wall Street who have defrauded the country as a whole and not a thing is going to be done about it.

 

Third, while this current economic mess is being touted as a "buying opportunity", in order to buy something you need excess funds.  Point number one, coupled with the massive layoffs, job reductions, and general fear towards the economy and there ever being a return to the halcion days of investment magic, along with a recognition that there is no meaningful regulation and that the whole system is set up to fail again and again for the benefit of those who manipulate it, all work together to prevent many people from even wanting to stick their toes into that frost pit known as investing in the stock market.     

 

Fourth, there is a lot to be said for the attitude of living for today and not worrying about tomorrow.  Had we not invested and lost better than a half mil, we'd have spent money on a large boat and owned it free and clear, and be retiring on it soon.  But we did invest, the market crashed, and retirement is still going to happen, but not like it could have.  As for worrying about tomorrow (and aside from dying unexpectedly (which has occurred to a fair number of people in early retirement or about to retire) - many people did that too and saved, and look where it got them. 

 

Generation Y might very well have the right approach.  Market volitility (largely in the hands of idiots and morons) has demonstrated that the 401K approach to preparing for your future may well be a fool's game.  The lack of any meaningful regulation to prevent a recurrence of the same (or of whatever the new and next meltdown is going to be), along with the widespread fraud and lack of any serious consequences to the perpetraitors of that fraud, is about as confidence inspiring as a condom full of pinholes. 

 

And, last but not least, Generation Y may well be counting on that tried and true American phenomenon of the government bailout which routinely leverages the future to pay for today, especially when large numbers of people are involved and the politicians are worried and scrambling for votes. 

 

While there is a whole lot of sarcasm in this post, there is also a lot of seriousness, and just maybe Generation Y doesn't believe in the fairy tales being packaged and sold by those who would benefit from the advice being touted regarding investing in the markets.  Sort of a "fooled me once", good for you, "fool me again" and I'm really the idiot now.

 

  

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:40:06 AM

This article seems like a pathetic attempt by the author to preserve a increasingly dysfunctional system. What if Gen Y refuses to play the game of their forefathers? I am a 52 year old CEO of a Tech company. Over the last years I have held onto my money and bought tangible assets with it. Tens of thousands in high quality guns, gold, classic cars and motorcycles and land. My 401K is , and always has been put in CD's. In the downturn  I have sold a few of these assets, for a very substantial profit. The investment broker who was "shocked" at my stubbornness in not investing my 401k in funds is now broke and unemployed. I have had the highest overall return on my investments over time than anyone else in the company.

   REMEMBER GEN. Y IT IS YOUR MONEY, YOUR FUTURE, LEARN AND TAKE CONTROL! ALL THOSE WHO WANT TO "HELP" YOU WITH YOUR MONEY THEY ARE THE LEACHES OF SOCIETY TAKING IT FROM YOU.

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:57:47 AM

Why would anyone invest in this market with a socialist administration in power. Isn't there a bill, introduced in the house, for the government to confiscate all IRA's and 401K's and incorporate them into the social security system? That way the administration could manage it for you. It would still be yours but they would guarantee you a return, so you wouldn't lose money. Remember they do a such terrific job of managing the social security system now. I am 63 years old and just pulled my 401K out and paid off my house. I now have no debt whatsoever, paid the taxes and have a little in the bank. I was advised by several experts to do this because of my age and my needs and they have no confidence whatsoever in this government. Hey, GEN Y, put it in your mattress!

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:00:17 AM
Heck, I can't retire either. I'm too young for to be a boomer, too old for X or Y Gens, and never had a job with benefits. I was told that "my paycheck was my benefit." With over 20% unemployment where I live (not counting those of us not in the numbers) no one can retire. It's tough just to survive. Doing crazy, odd jobs just to make a handful of cash. You guys need to post articles for the real world. You are as out of touch as Washington DC Sad
Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:24:15 AM

Jane,

You could not have said it better.  These guys are really out of touch.  I think it must be like being a sportscaster in a town where all the teams stink.  They try to tell you everything's great, when it's never been worse.  I am 46, and have totally given up on the idea of retirement.  I have reduced my 401k contribution enough to only get the company match.  Sure, I should probably invest more, but even on the this same website, there are oh so many articles about how our way of life is doomed and the stock market will never come back to what it was.  I know I will never be able to retire, even after 20 years of investing.  It's become a fairly tale.  Yet still, I have saved far more money than almost anyone I know (and lost far more as well).  I wouldn't never tell my kids to crap away 10% of their income on the market.  Better they spend it and enjoy life until they're too old to work, and have to eat cat food for dinner like we will all be doing. 

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:25:20 AM
Many people all over the world are investing their time and energy towards a way of thinking for all of humanity, not just a bunch of financial numbers, which would be useless to you if you were stranded on an island, in which you need food, water, air shelter and each other.

Humanity is the stock and the environment is the investment, not $_$. Intelligent management of the earth's resources, not intelligent management of $_$, which seems to be all over headlines these days.

The premise is for humanity to declare that all the earth's resources belong to all of humanity, anything less would be a continuation and perpetuating the problems that our civilization has faced.

Petition for Humanity: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/The-future-that-Humanity-Deserves

Imagining a world without Money: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDJ18m6KUW4

Future By Design: http://dotsub.com/view/15872a88-fbfe-4b18-a47f-10e0ae06fa9f

Journey to Venus: http://journeytovenus.com/?page_id=217

Futureblog: http://futureblog.net/wordpress/documentary/

Sony Magazine(Chic Magazine): http://magazine.chictoday.com/issue023/therealityoffantasy/therealityoffantasy.php

New York Times Review: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/nyregion/17zeitgeist.html?_r=1

Fox News: http://www.wsvn.com/features/articles/specialreport/MI114870/

The Venus Project, a Total Redesign of the World: http://www.jetsongreen.com/2009/04/the-venus-project-by-jacque-fresco.html

A dream worth having: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/opinion/epaper/2009/04/30/swancol_0501.html#



Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:45:04 AM

Dear Vindaloo,

Great write-up comrade.  Problem is, Karl Marx beat you to it a century ago.

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:47:35 AM
I so agree with rideon57 and Jimforjustice.  Just look around.  You have a government using our tax money to "bail out" corporations and now try to run them (hiring/fireing CEO's???).  You have politicians who want a bill to STEAL the money YOU put into your IRA or 401K and "MAYBE" give some back to you.  (look at their handling of social security - and the promises "never" to touch that money for anything else... yeah they lived up to their word their huh?...)  The government has been so inept at managing money, yet we continue to allow it to happen. Now with this SOCIALIST administration, do we really want to put our hard earned money even near their greedy paws?     As Reideon57 said - be responsible for your own money.  Simply beware of the politician schemes to take it.....
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