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Extra7/13/2009 12:01 AM ET

Where's that $787 billion stimulus?

Obama administration officials say it takes time to dole out so much money properly, which may explain why so little has been spent so far.

By BusinessWeek

Call it the $787 billion question: Where is all that government stimulus money, and why hasn't it stemmed the heart-stopping slide in U.S. employment?

The stimulus plan was all about jobs, after all. Key Obama administration officials pledged that the measure would save or create from 3 million to 4 million jobs. But the federal government's employment figures on July 2 clocked in worse than expected, with job losses lurching to 467,000 in June and the unemployment rate reaching its highest rate since 1983, at 9.5%; many expect it to rise further still.

Public confidence (registration required) in the stimulus plan is slipping and recently, Vice President Joe Biden suggested another stimulus plan is possible, something of a shift from President Barack Obama's position that more spending isn't yet called for.

Yet analysts and federal contracting experts say that, in many ways, stimulus spending is going about as quickly as expected. Dispensing billions of dollars, it turns out, simply takes time, particularly given government contracting rules and the fact that much of federal spending is funneled through the states. Moreover, some spending was intentionally spread out over several years, and other projects are fundamentally more long term in nature.

"There are real constraints -- physical, legal and then just the process of how fast you can commit funds," says George Guess, a co-director of the Center for Public Finance Research at American University's School of Public Affairs. "It's the way it works in a decentralized democracy, and that's what we're stuck with."

Certainly, based on key numbers, it looks as if the 5-month-old spending legislation has been slow to unfold. Onvia, a Seattle company that tracks federal spending, estimates that some $65 billion of the $420 billion that was in the stimulus package for contract and infrastructure spending has gone out the door. Federal officials offer similar numbers, saying $60 billion of the $499 billion in total stimulus spending has been disbursed. (The $288 billion remaining consisted of tax cuts.)

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But those numbers mask a lot of activity, analysts and government officials say. Onvia has identified some 18,500 specific projects covered under the legislation, and while just under 1,800 of them have had contracts awarded, an additional 5,000 or so have been put out to bid. For the remainder, funds have been allocated but not spent, says Michael Balsam, the company's chief solutions officer.

Ed DeSeve, a senior adviser to the president for recovery and reinvestment, says that $157.7 billion has been "obligated" for projects of various kinds, roughly a third of total stimulus spending, and $43.3 billion has been distributed in tax breaks. "We think we're right on target," DeSeve says.

He also argues that it makes more sense to count funds allocated to specific projects than dollars actually spent. "When do you buy something -- when you use your American Express or when you pay your bill?" DeSeve asks. "You buy it when you use your American Express."

Critics of the stimulus rollout argue that what matters most is when the dollars reach the economy -- the equivalent of when American Express pays the merchant.

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States slow the process

The U.S. Transportation Department recently stressed that it routinely reimburses states for payments to contractors on federal infrastructure jobs, meaning that work can be under way for some time before states pay contractors and seek reimbursement from the feds. Doing otherwise risks wasting federal funds by overpaying upfront, the agency said on a White House blog.

Still, some of the realities of federal contracting slow the process, analysts say. Funneling federal funds through state agencies can prove slower than awarding contracts directly. Seeking competitive bids -- a process that's designed to ensure the government doesn't overpay or favor select contractors -- also takes time. "It's really not going all that slowly when you take into consideration just the process to spend federal money," says Clint Currie, a transportation analyst for Concept Capital's Washington Research Group.

Similarly, funds allocated to help states with Medicaid and school costs began flowing pretty quickly, says Nick Johnson, the director of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities' state fiscal project. But there, some of the spending was explicitly earmarked for 2010 and even 2011. The administration has said it hopes to meet Congressional Budget Office estimates that 70% of stimulus funds be spent by fall 2010. "Everyone knew the recession wasn't going to end in a blink," Johnson says.

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Monday, July 13, 2009 4:14:10 AM
Now is a golden opportunity if the money is used wisely.  Every day thousands of people travel over the Triborough bridge in New York, which was built with New Deal money.  They use Fort Tryon park and visit the Cloisters, which was largely built by Depression era labor.  If we are going to lay out tons of money to keep people from staving, the least we can do is to make sure that we have tangible public benefits in exchange.

Now is the time to stop looking at money as pieces of paper that we can print.  The real wealth of a nation is productive labor and wisely used natural resources, and no amount of waste or financial manipulation can make us rich.

Monday, July 13, 2009 6:51:03 AM
Ha Ha what a joke. Most of the money in the first Obama stimulus went for payback to special interests,ie ACORN for election help etc. You know earmarks that candidate Obama promised would not be a part of his presidency. There was no stimulus to business in the form of perminate tax cuts or to cut individuals taxes across the board to stimulate spending(we are a consumer based economy). The next stimulus might contain some of those who knows? Obama and his cabinet of carrier hacks i.e. Joe Biden  and Goldmanites will keep the US Treasury printing and the debt soaring. Oh and how about his promise to bring home the troops and end the wars?Wait until milk is 10 dollars a gallon from inflation(the hidden tax on the poor). Folks this guy is a liar.
Monday, July 13, 2009 7:50:39 AM

This stimulus plan hasn't benefited me at all and I have not seen an improvement in any way, shape, or fashion whatsoever. What I have noticed, though, is a unusually large amount of brand new, top of the line, foreign automobiles on I-95 within the last few months. I wonder if there is any connection between the two.

Monday, July 13, 2009 8:04:13 AM
Over half of the stimulus is in the form of tax breaks which are immediately delivered.  Does this mean that tax breaks don't work in creating jobs? The only way out of this hole requires understanding and cooperation from all points of the political spectrum.  We have to work together to see the long term. We have to ask what we are getting from all the goverment spending?  To color it all bad is like saying that the Hoover Dam and Mount Rushmore was just a communist experiment.
Monday, July 13, 2009 8:12:29 AM

IT HAS WENT TO EXECUTIVES BONUSES AND RAT PACKED THE REMAINING $$$$$$$$$$$ 

THEY HAVE THEIRS  NOW SEE IF YOU CAN GET YOURS

SAME OLD TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT

WHY NOT GIVE EVERY ONE A MILLION AND SEE IF WE GET A TRICKLE UP EFFECT

LMFAO   NEVER WORK  THE POPULATION IS TO DUMB TO MAKE IT WORK

Monday, July 13, 2009 8:13:20 AM
Their all liars
Monday, July 13, 2009 8:15:10 AM
I have no job, no unemployment, and no hope. We are not wasting our money on new cars. We are struggling to pay a 700.00 mortgage. I VOTED for this idiot-- and he ran to corporate pockets! Bailed out Wall Street- check. Bailed out Detroit- check. Main street? Burn in H***. Thanks Obama! You had a better spin than Bernie Madoff!
Monday, July 13, 2009 8:16:35 AM
It will take a decade to undo the mess that is currently unraveling.  The government is fast to spend and slow to pay.  What else is new?  The stimulus package hasn't been over scrutinized, it just takes the bureaucrats that long to process the paperwork.  People in New Orleans are still waiting for the relief funding for Katrina. 
Monday, July 13, 2009 8:16:55 AM
Here is my suggestion and I sent this to the W.H. as well.  Why not take all those Bank Examiners from the Treasury's fact finding mission with the Stess test and a few other "desk people" and send them out to every state in the Union to try and see what the hold up is, and move this Stimulus money along faster to the right construction jobs?  Right now, all I see is this propsensity to hold onto the money so your state won't go bankrupt, and I say move it along the money and let's get the jobs going.
Monday, July 13, 2009 8:17:23 AM
President Bojangles and his posse of idiots are really starting to schuck and jive.They even got the token white boy ,Biden,doing a moonwalk impression.This whole stimulus package is starting to smell like a rotten possum.Although we are all screwed, it is going to be fun to see what happens when all the bruthas and sistahs realize that they have been had like a hoe on saturday night.
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