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Extra5/11/2009 2:57 PM ET

Stocks rallying, but is economy?

The Dow's recent march upward has many investors beginning to think the bull market is back. Yet for average Americans, there's likely more pain ahead.

By Catherine Holahan
MSN Money

Is this two-month market upswing a recovery or a false rebound?

The long rally has spurred many investors to call a bottom and return to stocks. The optimism is understandable. The Dow Jones Industrial Average ($INDU) is up more than 30% since its March 9 low, and even billionaire investor Rupert Murdoch is saying things are turning around.

"It is increasingly clear that the worst is over," Murdoch said last week. "There are emerging signs in some of our businesses that the days of precipitous declines are done."

Many have called a market bottom in this recession before, only to be proved wrong by the next ferocious sell-off.

This time, however, the optimism is grounded in some good data, according to many leading economists and analysts. The Labor Department has announced that the rate of job losses slowed in April. Consumer spending improved for the month. Battered retailers such as Macy's (M, news, msgs) have boosted their outlooks. All are indications of better days ahead for investors.

But just because the stock market is ready to start heading up doesn't mean the economy has hit bottom. In fact, a real recovery could still be far off.

The truth is that all the recent good news isn't really that great -- it's just less horrible than the scenarios many investors and business leaders had priced into the market and company forecasts. The unemployment rate of 8.9% is still the highest in 26 years, and it's likely to continue climbing, just not at the furious pace seen earlier this year. Many economists predict unemployment will exceed 10%, likely in the second half of 2010, before the trend begins to reverse.

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Earnings reports from retail giants Macy's, Wal-Mart Stores and Nordstrom will help investors decide whether an economic recovery is under way.

Similarly, the improvement in consumer spending last month is still not significant enough to help many retailers avoid losses. Spending increased 0.7% in April, according to a report by Goldman Sachs Group and the International Council of Shopping Centers. That increased activity helped lower-priced retailers such as Wal-Mart Stores (WMT, news, msgs) post better-than-expected sales. But it didn't do much for pricier department stores such as Macy's, which saw greater-than-anticipated losses for the month. That's one reason retailers shed 46,700 jobs in April and many malls could still go out of business.

"In terms of the free fall that I think we experienced in the fourth quarter and the first quarter -- that's over," says Nigel Gault, the chief U.S. economist for research company IHS Global Insight. "Has GDP (gross domestic product) hit bottom yet? Probably not. Another decline is likely in the current quarter."

The government's bank stress test results were also not entirely good news, though they were better than many investors had feared. Bank of America (BAC, news, msgs), Wells Fargo (WFC, news, msgs) and others need an estimated collective $75 billion in new capital to guard against losses from a continued recession, and they could need much more if the economy gets substantially worse. However, there are signs that private investors are willing to buy more bank debt, and $75 billion is still better than the hundreds of billions some analysts had anticipated the banks would need.

That said, better-than-expected news is what fuels market upswings, and it does seem now that the direst economic predictions likely will not come to pass.

"The stress test of the banks could have been a disaster," says Eric Ross, the director of U.S. research at Canaccord Adams. "Instead . . . everything is just a little bit better than people expected."

More than any individual positive sign, the reduced volatility will help fuel the recovery. Before, business leaders couldn't make predictions about what their sales would be like in the next month, let alone in the next year. That kind of environment freezes investment just as much as the inability to get loans, Ross says.

"The thing that made last year scary was the free fall. It made it impossible for anybody to make any sort of rational business decision except duck and cover," Ross says. "Now we are able to make more rational investments."

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Monday, May 11, 2009 4:42:33 PM
The bottom isn't here yet.  There will be more unemployment, and, unfortunately more BS from the obaminationAngry, before we hit the mud.  No recovery until layoffs STOP.  Less layoffs is not a good sign, its only a sign that more layoffs are coming. 
Monday, May 11, 2009 9:53:16 PM
The stock market is heading back up because it is very much an emotion based leading indicator.  So, yes, employment probably has a ways to go - especially in automotive (where there has been overproduction for years and people just don't need or want a third or fourth car) and real estate (which has had a once in 30 year run up).  In some ways things never will be the same again.  It is now some other nation's turn to lead the world.  We are entering a period similar what Great Britain experienced after losing our revolutionary war.
Monday, May 11, 2009 10:36:44 PM

The market is going up because the banks are using the TARP money to keep it high.  It's ARTIFICIAL.  We haven't even begun to see the bottom.  Obamanomics plans don't really hit full force until 2010-11.  Just wait until he tries cap and tax.  It will be the coup de grace for the US economy, and this charlatan predicts 3.4% growth in the GDP ?!?!??!   LOL !!!!!!!!!!  We just SHRANK 6% !!  That's almost inconceivable.  The guy manages to ruin the greatest market, economy and nation the world has ever seen in less than 4 months.  This nation became great BECAUSE of free market enterprise, not  in spite of it.  HE's destroying the core of our nation while the media fans him on.  Nero is fiddling folks.  Just wait until 2010 when we have 20% unemployment, martial law in place to stop the riots, gov't owned newspapers (the next bailout coming), gov't owned healthcare and gov't owned energy.  This moron in chief actually thinks the gov't generates wealth !!  The gov't destroys wealth with every tax dollar collected, with every business it steps in to control, and with crippling regulations (but none on the Reserve which created this disaster).   It really is over folks.  The hateful left have taken over and destroyed the greatest nation to ever grace this planet, and they did it in a blink.  Gratz libs.  They have the sink all ships philosophy rather than the rising tide lifts all ships philosophy. 

 

Show me the SINGLE study that shows that raising taxes makes the poor wealthier.  It DOES NOT EXIST.  Now I can show you all the studies about how raising taxes leads to unemployment, inflation, increases poverty, kills entrepreneurial ship etc.  Obamanomics makes EVERYONE poorer, but makes the rich suffer slightly more than the poor.  Great plan isn't it?  Class warfare as economic policy.  Damned the studies, damned be history.  Tax cuts worked under 4 different presidents over the century, for both political parties, but screw that!  Tax cuts for the rich are evil despite the fact they expand the economy, make the rich carry the highest tax burden AND generate record revenues for the gov't.  Screw that, this is about punishing the wealth creators and employers.  History and numbers be damned.

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:24:47 AM
Toadvine: Take your meds. It's just not worth getting so worked up about!
Tuesday, May 12, 2009 6:09:39 AM

The economy is doing just fine!  If people had made comments about Bush ( that damn fool) like they are currently making about Obama, they'd be waterboarded!

 

If these doomsday harlots are so sure that the economy is about to collapse, why don't they pull their money out of the market????

 

The reason is simple GREED!!!  If they can keep the economy in turmoil, then they think that they can get their man elected and start the robbery process all over again.  btw -- How's the ole 401K doin??

 

However, notice that they are STILL active in the markets.  They are STILL screaming like the country is turning to socialism.  They STILL spew fear and uncertainty. (all we have to fear is fear itself -- NO WAIT -- he was a democrat also!)   BUT -- they STILL HAVE THEIR MONEY IN THE MARKETS!!!!!   If this economy is so dammed weak, they should short the markets and capitalize on Obama's stupidity, BUT THEY AREN'T!!!   They don't believe their own lies -- THEY JUST WANT YOU TOO!!!

 

Finally, the martial law statement (fear-mongering at its finest)  WE have just lived through eight years of martial law w/ the Bush administration ( take a flight or say something inapproprate to your wife on the phone and get a visit from "der Homeland Security") and surprisingly, we managed to survive it!  I don't think that we will be seeing any republican's in power for a while though.  If you do, THAT IS THE TIME TO SHORT THE MARKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:25:44 AM
Obama caused the meltdown that started before he was elected; and Bush was a moron.  Blah, blah, blah.  We've heard it all before, from both sides.  Wake up, and quit taking the bait!  It's not about Dems vs Reps; it's about the feds vs We the People.  As long as you continue to think of yourselves as Dems or Reps, YOU are the problem.  The end game is the destruction of freedom, and the centralization of power.  And don't forget, it's all for our own good.  We "need" big brother to take care of (oppress) us.  We're just stupid citizens that can't make our own decisions, and don't know what's good for us, and can't understand the issues.  Really?  Up yours!  Keep your programs; I'll keep my freedom.
Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:37:42 AM
The mess we're in is a real travesty.  And, we're spiring downwards with a glowing acceleration as the entire World is looking and laughing at us.  What is becoming of a good 'ol USA? Well, pretty soon (if not already) it will be standing for United Socialist Alliance. Angry
Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:16:19 AM
Listen......Let someone else be the leader......sometimes to win the race....you have to draft !!!! Yesterday I was reading about green  mobile homes selling for $100,000.00 !!!!!! LOL....only in America !!!!! Dust your self off America ....Have a beer.....look for work.......Humble yourself.....I did !!!!!!
Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:25:24 AM

Amazing!!! So many "economists" here . The stock market is merely an indication of economic recovery; it's almost like a zoo where monkeys throw dots. Some of them stick, and some do not. Of course, there are some lions in that zoo that manage to profit from stupid monkeys. For those who blame leaders for this mess, there is an old saying "nations deserve their kings". 

 

I think, the real recovery will come when we will start being really good at something else other than wars and speculation, and when competent people will start leading the national institutions (both political and economical).  

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:25:28 AM

Amazing!!! So many "economists" here . The stock market is merely an indication of economic recovery; it's almost like a zoo where monkeys throw dots. Some of them stick, and some do not. Of course, there are some lions in that zoo that manage to profit from stupid monkeys. For those who blame leaders for this mess, there is an old saying "nations deserve their kings". 

 

I think, the real recovery will come when we will start being really good at something else other than wars and speculation, and when competent people will start leading the national institutions (both political and economical).  

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