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Extra8/7/2009 12:01 AM ET

Coffee shops pull the plug on laptop users

It was a flashpoint even before the recession, but Web-surfing visitors who sit all day without spending much are now being shown the door at some cafes.    

[Related content: Borders, retail, Starbucks, recession, spending]
By The Wall Street Journal

A sign at Naidre's, a small neighborhood coffee shop in Brooklyn, N.Y., begins warmly: "Dear customers, we are absolutely thrilled that you like us so much that you want to spend the day . . ."

But, it continues, "people gotta eat, and to eat they gotta sit." At Naidre's in Park Slope and its second location in nearby Carroll Gardens, Wi-Fi is free. But since the spring of 2008, no laptops have been allowed between 11 a.m. and 2 p.m. weekdays and 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. weekends, unless the customer is eating and typing at the same time.

Amid the economic downturn, there are fewer places in New York to plug in computers. As idle workers fill coffee-shop tables -- nursing a single cup, if that, and surfing the Web for hours -- and as shop owners struggle to stay in business, a decade-old love affair between coffee shops and laptop-wielding customers is fading.

In some places, customers just get cold looks, but in a growing number of small coffee shops, firm restrictions on laptop use have been imposed and electric outlets have been locked. The laptop backlash may predate the recession, but the recession clearly has accelerated it.

"You don't want to discourage it; it's a wonderful tradition," says Naidre's owner, Janice Pullicino, 53. A former partner in a computer-graphics business, Pullicino insists she loves technology and hates to limit its use. But when she realized that people with laptops were taking up seats and driving away the more lucrative lunch crowd, she put up the sign. Last fall, she covered up some of the outlets, describing that as a "cost-cutting measure" to save electricity.

So far, this appears to be largely a New York phenomenon, though San Francisco's Coffee Bar now puts out signs when the shop is crowded asking laptop users to share tables and make space for other customers.

Some coffee shops say they still welcome laptop users, if only because they make the stores look busy.

For some, the growing number of laptop-carrying customers with time on their hands is reason to expand. "I had to add more outlets and higher speed" in early June, says Sebastian Simsch, 40, a co-owner of Seattle Coffee Works.

Starbucks (SBUX, news, msgs) coffeehouses, which in some cases charge for Wi-Fi, and bookstore chain Borders Group (BGP, news, msgs), which always charges for Wi-Fi, don't have any plans to change their treatment of laptop customers. Neither does bookstore giant Barnes & Noble (BKS, news, msgs), where the Wi-Fi is complimentary.

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But in New York, the trend is accelerating among independents. At Cocoa Bar locations in Brooklyn and on Manhattan's Lower East Side, a 5-month-old rule forbids laptops after 8 on Friday and Saturday nights. At Espresso 77 in Jackson Heights, Queens, owners covered three of five electric outlets six months ago after its loosely enforced laptop use restrictions failed to encourage turnover. At two of three Cafe Grumpy locations -- one in Brooklyn and the other in Manhattan's Chelsea neighborhood -- laptops are never welcome.

Continued: 'What's the guy with the laptop doing here?'

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Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:09:01 PM

Um, how about some etiquette and some common sense?

 

I bring books to eateries, since I live alone and often eat alone.

However, I notice how full a place is.  If it's busy, I don't hang around and take up a needed seat.  I also don't bother people - I just sit quietly and read and perhaps drink something once I've finished my meal.

 

By using a little courtesy and common sense - me and my books are always welcome.  Or, if I sit around in a Waffle House sipping hot tea for hours, I ensure the tip is large enough to recognize the wait-person's time.  I may spend 2 bucks on pie/drink, and be happy to leave  a 3 buck tip if I'm treated well and get to relax a couple hours or so with my book.   Again, I'd NEVER do this if the place were busy.

 

There is nothing complicated here.   The place that threw people out right away when it was almost empty -- THEY deserve to go out of business unless they fire the staff that does that.

Friday, August 07, 2009 12:20:41 AM
Please. They were whining about this in West Coast cafes a decade ago. Hello!?!
Friday, August 07, 2009 7:19:16 AM
Thank goodness.  Laptop users give off an air of total unsociability, which defeats the entire purpose of a coffee shop.   It will be nice to see these cold as ice people disappear from the scene.
Friday, August 07, 2009 7:31:40 AM
Key point, they are isolating people, just when they need to be networking. These are social places folks, not a business office.
Friday, August 07, 2009 8:17:28 AM

Coffee shop owners are perfectly in their rights to kick out anyone they want.  And coffee shop patrons are perfectly in their right not to patronize those shops who do so.

 

I think bringing in your own drinks and/or food to a Coffee Shop is beyond tacky, and those people deserve to be thrown out.

 

Let the market decide who survives doing this.  As for me, I'll continue to patronize those shops who allow me to bring my laptop, and I'll buy coffee & a treat--and leave a nice tip.  If they say my laptop and my money isn't welcome, so be it--their loss.

Friday, August 07, 2009 9:51:10 AM
Hey guys, what about the public library? That is a more appropriate place for laptops and filling out forms for grad school. And college  students, your school paid big bucks to build a student center -- why not use it instead? Ditto, your dorm lobby.
Friday, August 07, 2009 10:45:26 AM
Get an office like the rest of us.  It is up to the establishment to enforce policy on this, but I agree, they "camp out" use the computer and cell phones like they are in an office.  I have seen them give dirty looks to kids who may be making noise while eating with their parents.  Make'em move along!
Friday, August 07, 2009 10:54:43 AM
Coffee shops are just that...Coffee shops...Not computer outlets shops. Get the internet installed at home. These people are just freeloaders.
Friday, August 07, 2009 11:06:09 AM
I dine & read alone too, but if I'm spending an adequate amount of money in a busy place, I stay as long as I desire.  We singles have just as must right to be there as couples and groups. We should not automatically be shown the bar as our only seating option, or given a bad table by the kitchen or restrooms!
Friday, August 07, 2009 11:08:11 AM

I think it's tacky for the film industry person to be interviewing in the coffee shop unless she arranges to set up a tab and buy a drink for every interviewee.  Bringing tea bags and sandwiches is tacky too.

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