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Bill Fleckenstein

Contrarian Chronicles6/22/2009 12:01 AM ET

Will economy's 'green shoots' wither?

Though sprigs of optimism permeate Wall Street, a bellwether business says it doesn't know when things will get better. Meanwhile, mortgage rates are up, and boomers can't even think about retiring.

By Bill Fleckenstein
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FedEx (FDX, news, msgs) last Wednesday tempered the enthusiasm of folks on "green shoot" watch. While stating its belief that the economy had hit bottom, the company also said it had no "visibility" to predict future earnings or any expectations of a real uptick in business.

Much of this economic green shoot talk has centered on slight improvements in still-weak/sloppy business conditions. But a lot of that has been a function of companies restocking inventory after the collapse in business at the end of last year and the start of this one.

That, coupled with money printing and the stock market rally, fed on itself and caused a lot of people to get excited about economic prospects improving drastically by the year-end.

But now that the market rally has stalled, negative macroeconomic and corporate news could easily precipitate a reassessment of this whole green-shoots-growing-into-a-beanstalk idea that a recovery has begun.

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This means the Federal Reserve's predicament will become even clearer. Given the path it has chosen, the Fed will have to print even more money. That's likely to mean upping its quantitative easing at some point, as Treasury yields have ratcheted up and mortgage rates have followed suit.

Weighing in on the subject, a knowledgeable source I often refer to as the "Lord of the Dark Matter" told me: "Make no mistake, it is a total disaster, with most banks now offering 30-year fixed (mortgages) in the mid- to high-5% range, and then only for the best FICOs. Then again, it was tremendously naive or, more likely, arrogant in the first place to assume that you could indefinitely run a public sector borrowing requirement of 13% of GDP and keep mortgage rates down at a level that induces a massive, permanent refi boom."

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Global-markets strategist Stuart Schweitzer says the road back to economic growth will be a slow slog.

In any case, due to the ramifications (both present and future) of the Fed's money printing, it has now resorted to the jawbone policy. The Fed thinks that by talking tough enough, it can boost its credibility and get bonds to rally (lowering rates), thus wriggling itself out of the box. But given the damage wrought by its own hands, that will be hard to do.

Thus, somewhere in the not-too-distant future, the Fed is liable to find itself back in the position of needing to create more stimulus. (To the extent that stocks are weak, you can be sure that the Fed's tough talk will evaporate.)

Continued: Baby boom busted

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 5:20:16 AM
I see some green shoots coming through the cracks in the concrete but I think commodity prices are way too high with the price of oil unexplainably climbing again, while the unemployment rate hits new highs. I see record unemployment rates around 15% with record low inflation adjusted gold prices dipping below $200 oz. The Stimulus was just opening of the parachute, slowing the decent to the bottom. The market lows will be tested and then who knows.
Sunday, June 21, 2009 6:24:28 AM

Does being a CONTRARIAN mean always being a pessimist?

 

I have never read an optimistic article written by Bill Fleckenstein

Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:02:05 PM
Mr. Fleckenstein has been pessimistic for several years. It appears that his pessimism was not misplaced then, nor is it now.
Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:56:01 PM
Bill is right on again. We need more folk like him running our Government and then we wouldn't be in these economic situations.
With home prices falling there will be no recovery just plan facts , not being pessimistic at all. Being optimistic doesn't mean putting your head in the sand...

Wall St run up on HOPES, that's all....

Monday, June 22, 2009 1:37:35 AM
Why is it that this guy never gives any idea's to make money ahead of time? I don't listen to half of the people that write these things. Most pick any stock that everyone loves. This guy only tells everyone the world is going down the drain. I can tell that by watching the news. I may be wrong on this guy but sure seems to be negative on every thing all the time.
Monday, June 22, 2009 4:11:01 AM
I've found bill's articles to be well ahead of most others and convincing enough to send me to cash looooooong before this mess was on anyone else's radar.
Monday, June 22, 2009 5:20:39 AM
The fact is, the USA faces enormous problems that are not being addressed, and has been for some time.  Pretending there are no consequences to reckless behavior is not optimism but foolishness.
Monday, June 22, 2009 5:49:38 AM
Once again "Doomsday Bill" strikes.  This clown has been wrong for years and needs to find a "real" job.  I guess he actually gets paid to write this bunk.
Monday, June 22, 2009 6:19:13 AM
I also had tried to mention that the only way out of this economic crisis is if people had decent wages to pay their Bills.  However  I was censored by your MSN staff and my post was never made public.   Really nice unbiased people you got working over in your media institution.  I wonder if alot of these comments to your article are also co-workers of yours in disguise.   Being that Jim Jubak and others in that group of yours are buddies of the CNBC crowd,  I shouldn't be suprised.  The beloved " Free Market " they touted worked so wonderfully they said, as jobs got shipped overseas.  The Stanford Executives and CEO were their example of what others should strive to be like to be successful.   Now that the Stanford CEO and executives could face 250 years in jail for destroying countless lives with other individuals investments, I wonder what the MSN money and CNBC crowd have to say now?  Your Bush party is over now isn't it?   And, its almost time for payback.  He who laughs last, laughs best.
Monday, June 22, 2009 6:23:37 AM

And yes Bill,  You are right about most things. 

 

 But, remember this, Don't feel bad about skipping the rally party, because you were never invited.  And trust me,  that is a good thing for you, and for everyone else who still wants to have their a-ss intact after this market plays out.    LOL   Open-mouthed

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