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Bill Fleckenstein

Contrarian Chronicles5/25/2009 12:01 AM ET

Why this downturn is different

Last time, there was trouble in the distance, though it was difficult to know just how far away. This time, what's dead ahead is hazy, but the case for precious metals is clear.

By Bill Fleckenstein
MSN Money

Let's begin with a question that recently arrived in my "Ask Fleck" mailbox. Queried a reader of my daily Market Rap:

"As you assess your strategy at this point of the downturn, what lessons and changes in approach have you learned compared with how you assessed the downturn in 2002 and 2003?"

Stacking up the downturns

Back then, I expected a rally related to the invasion of Iraq and pretty much moved far away from the short side. But I never expected that rally would turn into the early days of what was to become the biggest real-estate/credit bubble of our lifetime.

Throughout that period, I was certain there was unfinished business on the downside for the stock market and the economy, because the residue from the technology-driven equity bubble that preceded it had not been swept away and because the excesses of the real-estate/credit bubble were continuing to build.

Of course, as we traversed 2006 and 2007, it became clearer and clearer that an epic disaster lay in front of us. I spilled plenty of ink describing what I thought would be the outcome and why. I had absolutely no doubt about any of that. I just did not know when it was going to unfold.

Today, my outlook is mixed. On the one hand, the bursting of the real-estate/credit bubble severely wounded the financial system and, but for some fancy footwork on the part of then-Treasury chief Hank Paulson, nearly vaporized it. I believe jobs will be difficult to come by (as I have explained repeatedly) for quite some time, because the prior expansion was a function of the misallocation of capital in the real-estate market, preceded by a misallocation of capital in the equity market.

So, I feel strongly that this country will experience a difficult economy for quite some time.

On the other hand, I have been expecting an economic bounce. Given the fact that gross domestic product growth had registered minus-6% for two quarters, business had to pick up, simply because in a lot of cases, orders had literally stopped.

Unpredictable road ahead

As for the stock market, as I have noted often, I'm much more agnostic. We actually almost had rules about what the government or the Fed could do in the last up-cycle (the real-estate bubble), though due to the zaniness that ultimately broke the financial system, the Federal Reserve and the government now abide by no rules. The money printing and monetization of debt, as well as the federal deficits, have gone wild.

Continued: Sticking with precious metals

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Monday, May 25, 2009 3:40:40 AM

I'm still skeptical on Gold. I know that without the Government printing presses, stimulation and debt that we would be in another Great Depression with 25% unemployment. It is going to be a struggle just to get to a healthy 3% inflation rate. I think Bill and others have forgotten the big picture and that the economy was hit with a deflationary nuclear bomb. Government bailouts and **** insurance saved the system from a historical apocalypse.  Gold would just be another bubble which is easily squished by higher interest rates and a strong dollar.  In my opinion, look for more falling prices and a double dip recession.

Monday, May 25, 2009 5:18:31 AM
Last fall my fiance bought some ishares Comex gold trust at $76 and advised me to do the same.  I was also skeptical of gold and thought if it slipped lower that I might pick up some. It's now selling at $94 and hasn't been under $88 for some time. Guess she's smarter that a lot of us.
Monday, May 25, 2009 7:02:08 AM
They say its deflationary, but I don't see it.  Food prices are skyrocketing, oil is around the moon, rents are rising fast and furious.  Go to a movie in New York, don't bring a twenty, try a fifty for a pair of tickets and some snacks.

Wages, however, are falling off a cliff.  This is a truly weird time.

Monday, May 25, 2009 8:52:42 AM
Logically everything tells me buy gold. -A bolus of capital sloshing around to devalue the dollar  -Low interest rates  -A burned chinese government looking for safe harbour.  The problem is it's at a near all-time high.  These days I like to push the 5-year button on the graph; not the 5-day one.   
Monday, May 25, 2009 12:25:05 PM
I agree with about everything everbody said so far. Although what I am primarily worried about is the goverment and thier deficit and how in gods  holy name were going to pay that off without taxing everyone, martians, and even satan himself (although he deserves it) into oblivion.
Monday, May 25, 2009 4:22:42 PM
If you think Gold is going to save you I have news you haven't thought about.  Liberal Progressives know you're hiding in gold and they'll call it in as well as destroy the market for it.  (See FDR) The real thing we should be looking for is signs the Fed is folding.  That WILL happen once China burns through it's greenbacks, buying up natural resources worldwide NOW.  Once that happens, our "saviour" Bacrack declares the government insolvent and it's Hooverville for almost everyone who is unprepared.  Buy non perishible items before the inflation goes through the stratosphere.  Buy things you can barter.
Monday, May 25, 2009 4:35:10 PM
I agree with one of the statements made.If this is deflationary I don't see it.Go to the super market and buy a toamato($ 1.00) apiece.If your lucky.Every vegetable IS 50 TO 100% higher.cereals are double the price over the past 3 years and on it goes.The only deflationary thing are salaries.Food,construction materials,fuel,electricity and on are higher.We are in a very troubled time.You can't spend money for two wars,lose 10's of thousands of jobs,and bail out banks and insurace companies without it affecting every one of us. 
Monday, May 25, 2009 9:19:43 PM
Both deflation and inflation depending on what sectors. Houses are still deflating since they had a major Bubble (inflated) previously. Some other items are at rock bottom prices like gas right now....eventually we will see prices rising for almost everything imho except houses which still need a 20-40% correction depending on the area. With almost every commodity priced in terms of dollars, and the guaranteed weakening or collapse of the dollar, this means all commodities will rise in price....GL!
Monday, May 25, 2009 9:58:56 PM

I've been following Bill's columns for years and one thing that I've found is that he is usually right about his predictions (even if the timing isn't always as he expects).  I can't see the government having any choice but to print more money to pay off this rediculous national debt, something that should destroy the dollar and push the prices up on all hard assets including precious metals and eventually real estate.  It may be just a 'hail Mary' at this point, but we have to try to reign in an out of control Congress http://timeforpitchforksandtorches.blogspot.com/2009/05/insolvency-just-around-corner.html

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:21:12 AM

I believe we're on the Bubble of all bubbles right now, the "Recovery" Bubble.  All other indicators show our economy is really no different then it was before October 2007, when this mess started - that's the highpoint of the DJI.

 

I've been reading a number of old documents, and from reading old editorials and letters to editors, humans now are no different then humans 50, 75, or even 100 years ago.  Even though the individual situations have changed, the underlying human psychology has not changed.  So given this trend, I compared our current crash to the crash that started the great depression.

 

Did you know it took THREE YEARS for the market to reach bottom?  In that drop, the market lost 95% of it's maximum value.  And we still don't quite know HOW we got out of that depression [or if the new Deal was effective], because a war came along and confused the data quite quickly.

 

In the last Major crash we lost 95% in three years.  that's puts the bottom to our slide near October 10th, 2010.  DJI: ~660.  Not 6000, 600.  You saw it here first.

 

When will we recover?  Consider these five balances;

Trade Balance [Value of Imports vs. Exports]

Employment Balance [Employment vs.. Real Unemployment]

Industry Balance [Capital/profits vs. debt/losses]

Government Balance GDP vs. Debt/Deficits]

Market Balance [CPI]

 

I don't know where the price of Gold will be.  Historic metrics show right now is a gold bubble.  And why not?  We have way too many people trading paper for a living, looking for places to invest paper.

 

Good luck, everybody.

 

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