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Bill Fleckenstein

Contrarian Chronicles5/4/2009 12:01 AM ET

Swine fluke or real market change?

Stocks' reactions seemed disconnected from data last week, but that can happen at a turning point. Trouble is, such points are seen most clearly in a rearview mirror.

By Bill Fleckenstein
MSN Money

To judge by the green on my stock screens last Monday, you'd have thought Lam Research (LRCX, news, msgs), Research In Motion (RIMM, news, msgs), IBM (IBM, news, msgs) or perhaps a few other companies had some solution to the swine flu outbreak.

As a friend commented with tongue in cheek: "Buy some RIMM. People will lose jobs, stay home and e-mail nonstop from RIMM-a-phones."

In that way, I guess RIMM would be a "play" on both swine flu and unemployment.

Certainly, there is nothing to commend the travel/tourism sector, as companies such as Royal Caribbean Cruises (RCL, news, msgs) and Carnival (CCL, news, msgs) will clearly be hurt by the flu outbreak (not that their businesses weren't already in trouble, thanks to the recession).

There was logic behind the slide in those companies' shares. But in other areas of the market, the action was far less logical.

Swine flu concerns? Go out to dinner!

Dot-connecting was certainly MIA the next day, when many restaurant stocks (already the beneficiaries of huge rallies in the past month or so) finished higher. It was somewhat incongruous to witness world markets like our own panic over swine flu (to the point of pounding the price of hogs, etc.) while speculators partied in restaurant stocks, even though the flu's spread might keep many cautious diners at home.

I can't tell whether that means the fears of swine flu are overblown and it was just an excuse for traders to lower the stock market, or whether restaurant stocks are caught up in some weird orbit of their own.

In any case, I found it striking that the consequences of swine flu would apparently matter to everything except for one particular group that would definitely be affected by a flu pandemic.

Tilting at inflection points

Now to turn from infection to inflection points:

For someone with a bias like mine, Tuesday's action in the bond market, combined with Wednesday's macro data and action in foreign-exchange trading, made it possible to conjure up the notion that we are nearing a major inflection point: the funding crisis I've written about before, the consequence of all the monetary and fiscal stimulus the U.S. is using.

On Tuesday, long bonds cracked a potentially important level around 3.85%. One could make the case that the low is in for yields and that they are on a slow, steady march higher. Of course, the Federal Reserve is not going to accept that at face value and will become more aggressive by monetizing long (30-year) bonds.

What ought to happen to the dollar -- as I have felt for some time -- is that it should be pressured by that monetization. On Tuesday and Wednesday, the dollar was very weak. It looks like it could be beginning to break down on the charts.

But charts have a way of repairing themselves, and I may be jumping the gun (which I have been known to do on more than one occasion).

There are myriad reasons -- not least of which are the trillions of dollars of supply -- why one would expect interest rates to rise and the dollar to decline. But an environment where we saw weaker growth and more inflation would be especially bond-unfriendly.

Weaker growth would prompt the Fed and the government to keep applying stimuli. The inflationary consequences would pressure interest rates higher, which the Fed would try to suppress. That action would exacerbate the problem, and the vicious cycle would continue.

Continued: A replay of the 1970s

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Sunday, May 03, 2009 3:42:20 AM
I really think that Bill is jumping the gun on inflation. He compares the situation to the 70's, but he should be looking at the 30's and 40's. With the explosion of and destruction of the economy and the market, we need a massive amount of dollars just to get back to ground zero. A couple years ago I predicted the Government needed to replace 4 trillion dollars, but they waited to long and now it might be triple that. We may see inflation down the road, but you might be dead by then. Cash is King.
Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:44:25 PM
I agree with FIRSTCALL. Inflation may be a problem at some point in the future, but so many dollars were and are still being destroyed in the massive deleveraging that must take place, that the environment is much more deflationary than inflationary.
Monday, May 04, 2009 6:51:12 AM

What do the readers think today ?  Is the stock market

poised for a surge ahead or a surge backward ? 

Cash can be King just up to a point...when the

inflation rate starts eating at the dollar like moths

on a ravaging rampage. SmileSad

Monday, May 04, 2009 7:32:12 AM
 but he should be looking at the 30's and 40's. With the explosion of and destruction of the economy and the market, we need a massive amount of dollars just to get back to ground zero. A couple years ago I predicted the Government needed to replace 4 trillion dollars, but they waited to long and now it might be triple that. We may see inflation down the road, but you might be dead by then. Cash is King.

It's because we're not deflating that he's not comparing it to the 30s, 40s. While it's true some areas of the economy are deflating (like housing prices, energy prices, etc) overall CPI has only been negative one or two times. For the most part, it's pretty flat or increasing slightly.

 

That's why he's comparing it to the 70s, we're having GDP contraction, but we may yet get inflation at the same time. I would think that the inflation would be further down the road myself...but CPI is not showing deflation, and TIPS going out 5 years shows near 3% inflation expectation (2.8%) which is above optimal, and striking considering the asset decline we've faced.

Monday, May 04, 2009 8:29:07 AM
To be honest Bill inflation is needed to get back some of the companies financial strength that they  have lost in the last 16 month. The companies that have come out strong have seen their competition sink and their market share rise. with less competition expectation is to raise  prices to first offset increases in taxes that are coming (before they can pass it on to the consumer) and also strengthen my bottom line . Profit is good Increases in M& A is  on the horizon and companies need a strong balance sheet to play the game. Indication of a 4.8% inflation cycle in FY09
Monday, May 04, 2009 9:09:23 AM
All I know is that Bill was telling everyone to get out of the market way before the crash hit. I was lucky to have listened. So whatever he says at this point I am going to listen!
Monday, May 04, 2009 9:23:44 AM

I was hoping Bill would comment more on the effect of stocks rising in relation to the reported recent economic fundamentals.   He did such an amazing job of calling the collapse of 2007 but was reluctant to recognize the oversold stock market in March.  Albeit a 40% bear market rally since March but Bill's last piece said to stay away from stocks. 

 

Not sure what he is referring to as the inflection point from this article.   Do we summize that inflation is picking up and GDP will flatline, so we return to 600's on the S & P 500 ?   

 

He's got a lot of credibility with me from his 2007 diagnosis but not sure what he's trying to communicate in this piece.  

Monday, May 04, 2009 9:57:19 AM
Cash is king!
Monday, May 04, 2009 10:09:54 AM
He did such an amazing job of calling the collapse of 2007 but was reluctant to recognize the oversold stock market in March.  Albeit a 40% bear market rally since March but Bill's last piece said to stay away from stocks. 
To be honest...he's been calling for it since 2005, he was wayyyyyyy early. He gave all the right reasons, he was just really early.
Monday, May 04, 2009 11:08:13 AM
I agree with pchurch.  Bill's "head fake" call on this bear market rally had me staying put (i.e., out).  Does he still think this rally will fizzle out big time, or what?  There are some positive indicators out there that are giving the market confidence . . . will it last?  
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