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Bill Fleckenstein

Contrarian Chronicles11/6/2009 8:12 PM ET

India's big vote for a gold rally

The naysayers have said gold was ready to fall at every step of its upward march toward $1,100. But the world can't get enough of the shiny stuff.

By Bill Fleckenstein
MSN Money

As regular readers know, I have been advocating the purchase of gold for quite some time. The big news in the gold market last week was the fact that India bought half of the gold the International Monetary Fund had said it wanted to sell.

(I'll be interested to see who takes the other 200 tons, and I would not be at all surprised to find out that it's China.)

As my ever-eloquent good friend Jim Grant of Grant's Interest Rate Observer said to me, "So much for the modern conceit that gold isn't money!"

Folks might remember how the gold market was criticized as overpriced (as gold rallied from $250 past $1,000 an ounce) every time the possibility of the IMF selling its gold was raised.

Well, here the IMF did finally sell half of its gold -- and at basically a rounding error off the all-time-high price, now above $1,100.

That brings up an old stock market saw: that in a bull market, the market rallies to supply. It seems like an impossible observation, yet perversely it often tends to be true.

It's worth noting that the IMF sale is just one of many bricks in the gold market's wall of worry, another recent one being the thought that the price of gold topped $1,000 only because Barrick Gold (ABX, news, msgs) had reduced its hedge position, when it turns out that the company hadn't finished that process, as 1.9 million ounces remains to be closed out.

Jumping the gun on a top in gold

So all of those folks who thought Barrick had done all it had to do -- and call that a sign of a top one month or so ago -- will now have to come up with a new reason to say the gold market has peaked. In my opinion, we can't even think about a meaningful top until such time as gold stocks are embraced with enthusiasm.

Meanwhile, gold stocks trade as though an attack of the swine flu or worse will infect anyone buying them. Most of the gold-mining companies delivered lukewarm results last year, quite simply because the price of gold wasn't high enough relative to what it costs to "make" gold. The price still isn't, but the companies' results have begun to improve recently.

Also keep in mind that this is mining, an incredibly tough business with all kinds of moving parts, one that does not lend itself to smooth quarterly results. From one quarter to the next, we can see immense quantities of noise. Great quarters occur as well as crummy ones, and neither should be blindly extrapolated.

Regretfully, we live in a world in which everyone wants to play "beat the number," in which each quarter is treated like a pass-fail final exam. Having been a director of Pan American Silver (PAAS, news, msgs), a company with seven mines, for the past 12 years, I can assure you that if there ever was an industry with no business being involved in beat the number, it's mining. Folks should expect volatility in miners' results and not get too caught up in short-term machinations, as it's the next few years that will matter most.

A shift in the market's mood

Turning to earnings and the stock market at large, few companies have been able to rally in the wake of their results, no matter how good they were. A really great example is Intel (INTC, news, msgs). In mid-July, the company announced expectations of better results for the third quarter of 2009. They were better, and Intel guided higher for the fourth quarter. Yet its stock is barely higher from where it was in mid-July, and it's well below where it was when the company reported earnings in October.

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And if there's even the slightest hint of near-term disappointment, stocks are just crushed. To wit, despite its apparent success at beat the number, STEC (STEC, news, msgs), a maker of data storage devices, on Wednesday was clubbed for about 30% as the company slightly lowered its forecast.

All of which, I believe, indicates that the market environment has changed from what occurred during the March-September rally. That said, I believe stocks are not ready to go down for real just yet (something I expect in 2010). Plus, you can be sure that any serious stock weakness will be met with more monetary stimuli from the feds.

As for Wednesday's Federal Open Market Committee decision, to no one's surprise the Federal Reserve decided not to change interest rates. And though the Fed paid lip service to being vigilant about inflation, the remarks were on the dovish side, especially given how much play the Fed's tough talk has received.

The jawbone standard

Talk is cheap, and to a large degree the Fed is on the jawbone standard -- in that the governors can easily talk tough but never will be tough. To the extent that the Fed pursues any sort of a tightening policy somewhere down the road, it will be a day late and a dollar short, and it will occur only after the dollar itself has depreciated even further, especially versus the price of gold.

At the time of publication, Bill Fleckenstein owned shares of Pan American Silver and owned gold.

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Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:45:45 AM
Gold is signaling a W shaped recovery not a V. It is just a matter of when. Get ready to go short.
Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:06:36 AM

Yes, I think we will see a pullback before the real rally in gold and silver.  But these new highs make me nervous that I'm missing it!  That's what fuels rallies, of course.  So, if you're a real trader, I think there is some short term upside to capture.  But I'm really not a trader, and I think there will be a better chance to buy sometime next year.

 

-- ARG

 

 

Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:07:50 PM
I SEE A "BUBBLE" COMING AND SEE WHO GETS HOLDING THE BAG! YOU TALK ABOUT VOLENTILE! AND I HAVE GOLD, BOUGHT MANY YRS AGO, BUT I WOULDN'T BET ON GOLD!  
Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:37:09 PM

Gold valued in terms of U.S. dollars has pushed over the hump of $1000/once ... but gold valued in Euros has not broken its previous top. I would NOT buy gold at the moment ... I see more risk in a stock market downdraft this winter for three reasons.

 

Reason #1 - Banks have yet to report Q4 09 earnings and even with the March GAAP "extend and pretend" formula banks may writedown just like in Q4 02.

 

Reason #2 - Ticker symbol UUP which mimics the dollar relative to the Euro, ****, Can and other currencies ( us@dx at booblehead cnbc.com ticker box.) saw a huge demand in call buying. Possibly someone out there is hedge fund land is hoping for a dollar rally - which in this situation - implies a stock market sell off.

 

Reason #3 - The U.S. economy is as "energy price sensitive" as it ever was. Midwest farmers are having a hard time pulling their corn harvest out of the ground due to rain in October and a late planting last spring. Corn used to be food, but now it's also ethanol. Ida may become a hurricane and send more rain to the midwest as well as cause oil production delays in the Gulf.

 

For more on reason #1 see  www2.standardandpoors.com/spf/xls/index/SP500EPSEST.XLS

 

 

 

 

Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:09:37 AM

With unemployment going over 10%, highest since '83 and no Social Security raise , I had to ask again where is the inflation? It brought me back to the U S situation being comparable to the Japanese market crash in the '80's and the dead economy and the Yen carry trade.

Now we have a Dollar carry trade lifting assest prices, stocks and gold and whatever. 

A little bubble easily pricked and you might figure this Administrtion will be vigilant.    

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Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:55:58 PM
Just think, if gold doubles from here to $2200, then it will have the same purchasing power it had at $800 in 1980.  So if it achieves this feat, then in 30 years it has been unchanged in inflation adjusted purchasing power.

Interesting that the DOW was also at 800 in 1980.  Now at 10,000, somewhat a better return for the last 30 years.

Monday, November 09, 2009 2:43:45 AM

EXACTLY....it preserves purchasing power! The appropriate measure for me as to how gold has performed is to go back to when the price was set free, March 1968. If you take the $35 gold price and adjust it for 41 years of the U.S. CPI increases, the gold price would be about $220 an ounce, increasing at an average compound rate of about 4.5% a year. But since being set free in 1968, the gold price is now $1,100. So gold has provided great inflation protection, and growth. From $35 to $1,100 — that's about an 8.6% compounded annual rate per year. That's the true measure of gold's value for inflation protection.

Monday, November 09, 2009 3:07:51 AM
How can you say there is little inflation when the number of dollars have been inflated at immeasurable amounts being printed and loaned by leveraged amounts. This is the definition of inflation not the bogus numbers issued by the banksters.  The value of gold is proportional to the number of dollars in circulation. Using this as a standard, gold should be over $2000/oz!
The only justification for a gold pullback is if the fed takes back the tarp and bailouts.

Monday, November 09, 2009 5:05:52 AM

The economy is in a far worse shape than most people realise, see: http://www.naturalmoney.org/howbad.html


The current financial system is unsustainable in the future. This is why: if someone brought a 1/10 oz gold coin to the bank in the year 1 AD, and the money remained there until the year 2000 AD, collecting a yearly interest of 4%, the amount of gold in the account would have been 3.6 * 10^31 kilograms of gold. This is 1.9 * 10^27 cubic metres of gold weighing 317 times the complete mass of the Earth.

 

The fundamental cause of economic inefficiency is usury, which is the charging of interest on money. Therefore a far better financial system is possible without crisis and government intervention, see:
http://www.naturalmoney.org/introduction.html

Monday, November 09, 2009 6:09:57 AM
Gold? There is enough gold on planet Earth to cover all land masses one foot deep in the stuff, it is just a  matter of volcanoes or mining bringing it to the surface. It is alot like investing in beenibabies.  It's worth what somone else will pay for it. People rush to gold in times of insecurity, I would recommend land. There is an exponential growth in the human population and land and potable water are the real resources worth acquiring. Gold is as useful as a Ken Griffey Jr. rookie card.
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