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1 in 4 must fight for jobless checks

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Getting what's yours

Misconduct is the most common reason for employer challenges. But misconduct is arbitrary, and its defining lines are, at best, blurry, says Albert Rizzo, an employment attorney in New York.

If you've just been handed a pink slip, Rizzo says, the first thing you should do, regardless of the reason you were given for being let go, is to file for unemployment benefits. "Whether you were fired for lack of work or a reason that may indicate misconduct, file a claim," he says. It's up to your former employer to prove you're not entitled to benefits.

If your claim is denied, you have the right to appeal within the time frame allowed by your state. "And you should always appeal," Rizzo says. "Show a little teeth. Don't just accept the determination based on an employer's challenge. You've got to be prepared to fight."

That's something Roger Sheridan knows firsthand. "I appealed my employer's challenge that I was incompetent and eventually won. It took more than two months and added a tremendous amount of stress to an already tense time, but I won."

The first step to appealing is being punctual because, Rizzo says, there's no time to waste. You usually have about 30 days to file.

Here are common types of employer challenges and what else you need to know to fight them:

1. Your season ended: You were hired for a specified length of time, and now it's time for you to go. "As a seasonal employer, we challenge unemployment claims filed by seasonal workers seeking benefits after their contracts end (at the end of tax season)," says Charles E. McCabe, the CEO of Peoples Income Tax.

Best bet to win an appeal: Many states, including Virginia, where McCabe's business is, interpret the end of the contract as an "involuntary separation," which means the employee receives benefits.

Bring a copy of your contract or any documentation outlining the terms of your employment when filing in person, or state the details of your employment terms when filing online. "Providing as much information upfront will give your state unemployment office the necessary information to approve your claim or decide in your favor should your employer contest it," Rizzo says.

2. Your attendance isn't up to par: You took too much time off to nurse a cold or couldn't get to your desk on time because your kid's school bus often ran late. Now you've been sent packing.

Best bet to win an appeal: If possible, compile information (even if it's approximate) on your attendance and the attendance records of fellow employees. If you can prove that your attendance was consistent with others' in your department or company, you may have a strong case upon appeal.

"You might be able to show you've been discriminated against," Rizzo says. Be advised you may need to hire legal representation to effectively argue this case, but Rizzo says that shelling out two to three weeks' worth of unemployment pay in legal fees can be "well worth it to qualify for benefits."

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3. You didn't get the job done: Konstan says a lot of employers think that poor performance is grounds for disqualification. But not so fast. "Most appeals to 'inability to perform the job' challenges are determined in favor of the claimant," she says, especially if you can prove you weren't given the chance to improve.

Best bet to win an appeal: Konstan recommends asking for a copy of your personnel record ASAP, preferably before you file for unemployment. "You're entitled to it," she says.

If you can prove that you weren't given verbal and/or written warnings or that your employer didn't follow reasonable performance review procedures or those outlined in your company's handbook, Konstan says, you've got a good chance of winning the appeal.

"Employers have to notify you that you're not meeting their expectations, outline how to improve and give you a reasonable chance to improve," she says. And if your boss can't produce evidence that you were sufficiently notified about your poor productivity (including something signed by you indicating you were notified of the warning), chances are that he or she won't win the challenge.

4. You didn't follow procedures: Your boss says you consistently failed to follow procedures when taking sick days, spent too much time surfing the Net or texting your friends during work hours, or took too many coffee breaks.

Best bet to win an appeal: Prepare a compliance log. Track the days you've taken off and the means by which you notified your employer. Or the hours you spent surfing and how long you've consistently exhibited this behavior. Make sure to note things like comments made by your supervisor concerning your actions and any verbal or written warnings. Don't forget to note any understanding comments such as "It's OK if you're late" or "Don't worry about not coming in today" that your boss has made.

Rizzo says if you can prove your employer has previously ignored your attendance, failed to reprimand you for it or even cast it aside, you may have a case.

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5. You're insubordinate: Your boss alleges you swore at her in a common area.

Best bet to win an appeal: Konstan suggests gathering any documentation and evidence, including the details immediately leading up to and following the event and witness accounts. "Depending on the circumstances, you may be able to justify your actions, but you're going to have to be very specific and detailed," she says.

If you can demonstrate your insubordination was provoked, Konstan says, "the determination may go your way."

Published July 7, 2009

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Monday, July 06, 2009 10:43:16 PM

My employer contested my unemployment claim and I won.  My goofball manager wound up looking like a fool in front of the judge --- first he tried to put me on a "two week performance improvement plan" and then they tried to say I misused company equipment but my company is an engineering firm, our client owns the equipment and they had no problems from me in that area.  The judgment in my favor credited me with a well documented explanation of my termination (including snide remarks my manager had made about my pay grade before the termination) and it also said that employer was unable to provide a specific incident of equipment misuse.

 

If anyone is reading this and is the subject of a layoff / termination I would strongly support what this article says.  Fight tooth and nail for your unemployment pay, it is yours.  I am currently interviewing for several new positions and am able to do so with the confidence that right is on my side.  Open-mouthed

Monday, July 06, 2009 10:48:29 PM
In Oregon, employees pay a tax for Unemployment Benefits.  Just another example of how the news media doesn't research their claims, and looks stupid!
Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:52:48 AM
In many states employees pay a tax for unemployment, but, that doesn't always mean that you'll qualify for benefits. Your comment is another case of when the uninformed attempt to look smart, and look stupid!
Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:38:15 AM
My wife had a case in which the employer came to court with a number of people who perjured themselves and testified that she had quit her job rather than fired.  In spite of the lack of evidence the state ruled with the employer.  In looking at these cases we'e seen a huge injustice in this area and also in many areas of employment law.  Getting a lawyer to come to court to represent an employee is nearly always equal to the cost of the benefits which can be received  and since the state is bias to the party that pays the taxes it is very unfair.
Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:50:59 AM
This country is looking more & more like a third world country. When the middle class is gone, so will America be gone. But that is what Obama wants.
Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:54:33 AM
Typical ripoff businesses and CEO's.  I hope nobody works for them in the future and I hope that those who do rip them off for everything they can.  That might equal the score!!
Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:07:02 AM

I got screwed and shafted out of my unemployment benefits I was entitled from a termination in early 2008. It was not a case of willful negligence or carelessness on my part, but the inability for me to perform the work to the quality standards of my employer, nothing else. I had never missed a scheduled day of work except to have moved in to my new apartment. Even my supervisor appreciated my strong work ethic. I don't take responsibilities to my job lightly.

 

I went through the entire process including submission of an appeal to my state Court of Appeals who denied my day in court solely on the "substantial evidence" the Department of Workforce Services stated to them. My fifth amendment right had been violated before this point and not once did I have the opportunity to put the Department on trial. They had the greatest culpability because they dropped the ball in processing my claim, something even the case worker who violated my right to remain silent admitted had to have occured (she lacked stating to me that anything I said would be used against me) Although I had pointed these things in my lengthly petition to the State Court of Appeals, they still denied my hearing. To make matters worse, the Department under existing law wanted me to pay back what monies I had received initially, although it was proven through their own investigation that my claim was non-fraudulent and indeed VALID! The only reason I didn't have to pay it back was yet another error... The Payment Control Office started billing me before the appeals process had been finished. This required another hearing, but surprisingly, I won that little concession. I've lost a potential $4,000+ that would've help my situation. My governor and both representatives have been written 4-page letters concerning this matter just last month and I won't hold my breath that it will get the attention it deserves, but I could be wrong. Considering the weight this article gives on the present state of the economy - I could well suffocate in that regard.

 

Although I did get another job last August, it's not enough for me to get by so I have to change my career and will move out of state pending what changes in the law or support if any I'm afforded by my representatives and governor. If none is received, at least they can't say I didn't give them the opportunity to act and I won't have to contribute to an agency with real problems they refuse to address.

Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:23:23 AM

Where in Gods name did you get the idea that Obama wants to get rid of the middle class?  If you look at the Republican record, going back to Reagan, you will find out who is trying to protect the rich and screw the middle class.

 

If you have any proof that Obama is trying to get rid of the middle class, please provide the information so that the rest of us will know the truth.

Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:26:34 AM
Far too many people feel unemployment is an entitlement.  The states have historically approved the vast majority of claims.  If that is changing it is because the money is starting to vanish. 
The biggest mistake our country has made is to extend unemployment to a full year.  When unemployment was only paid for 13 weeks, most people found a job in week 12.  Now that unemployment can be drawn for 52 weeks, people will not be finding work until week 51. 
Unemployment is just another example of the welfare state.
Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:36:07 AM
The middle class suffers no matter who is in control. Republican or democrats, they all share in raping the middle class, and they always have. If we want our government to feel middle class America, their salaries should be reduced to $50,000 and no free trips on tax payers. This would change their perspective some.
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