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Need a big loan? Ask Dad, not Mom

Men are likelier to open their wallets to help their children in deep debt (as long as they don't mention it's for gambling), a survey finds.

By CreditCards.com

Need to call home and ask for a big loan?

Pray that Dad answers.

That's a key finding of a new CreditCards.com poll that, in these credit-crunched times, looked at the generosity and attitudes of many young folks' lenders of last resort: their parents.

The survey found that fathers tend to be considerably softer touches than mothers when it comes to bailing out kids from big financial trouble.

Not that anyone -- fathers, mothers, whomever -- was particularly eager to be placed in that situation. It's just not a good time for that sort of thing.

"These tough, frightening, challenging economic times have forced most people into becoming more cautious and discriminating concerning any spending," said Barbara Udell, a family and individual therapist. "And most parents had hoped that they taught their children the value of money and how to handle it."

Still, 21% of fathers said they would give their kids more than $20,000 to pay off credit card bills and other debts, even if the parents had no expectation of ever getting paid back -- though many said they would accompany their checks with objections and reprimands. ("For crying out loud, Junior, are you out of your mind?")

Only 12% of mothers said they would write those kinds of checks for their chicks.

The gap broadened when parents expected to be repaid eventually. In that case, 30% of fathers would give their debt-laden children $20,000 or more, but only 15% of mothers would do the same.

Why the disparity?

"Dads identify with the burden of debt if they are the main breadwinners," said Dotty Sasmor, a psychologist and family therapist in the Miami area. "Also, dads may identify with their own youthful debt behavior, especially if their dads bailed them out."

Let-down moms or softy dads?

The mothers' reticence may not be easy to explain, but psychologists were not surprised.

"Some factors, like the ages of parents, the ages of children and the parents' own financial situation may play a role," Sasmor said. "Given that, I think most women have very strong values about money -- money representing safety, security, freedom, love, etc."

Udell put it more bluntly.

"Experience," she said. "In these cases, they have been disappointed too many times by their children, who did not follow through on taking responsibility for their actions through the years."

But there could be another explanation, Sasmor said. "Possibly dads are just pushovers."

The scientific poll was conducted for CreditCards.com by GfK Roper. Pollsters interviewed 1,004 women and men from various parts of the country through random-digit dialing.

Most of the poll respondents had children, but some did not, and -- as one might expect -- that sometimes influenced their responses.

Interestingly, a sizable number of adults of both genders volunteered without prompting that they wouldn't help at all if their children -- real or theoretical -- racked up debts. Nada, period.

Absolutely not. No matter how much or how little was owed.

Women who do not have children were most likely to feel that way. Among these women, 20% said, in essence, "no way, no how," compared with 13% of men in the same category.

Medical debts? Sure. Gambling? Not so much

Most parents, of course, did not adopt such an absolutist view.

And other results of the poll strongly suggested that, in these difficult economic times, most American adults have a balanced and nuanced set of standards when it comes to their children and their children's debts.

They are likely to help in some situations but not in others. So here is the bottom line for the younger generation:

If you run into trouble with student loans, medical bills, your rent or mortgage payment or even your auto loan, give Mom, or better, Dad a call. Your parents are probably willing to help if you're willing to endure an earful.

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But listen here, Buster or Darling: If you get over your head with gambling bills and maybe even your credit cards, you are on your own.

The CreditCards.com poll found that nearly 66% of mothers and 61% of fathers would never help their kids with gambling debts. An additional 23% of mothers and 30% of fathers would "somewhat object" to helping kids come out from under gambling liabilities.

When it comes to credit card bills, 29% of mothers and nearly 26% of fathers would never help, and more than 42% of mothers and 51% of fathers would object somewhat to doing so.

'A question of values'

It's an entirely different story when it comes to debts that seem more productive and socially acceptable, though.

Among respondents, 70% of fathers and nearly 59% of mothers said they would have little objection to helping their children pay off student loans, a majority of both genders feels the same way about mortgage payments or rent, and a plurality of men and women would have little objection to helping with auto loans.

Obviously, parents are aware of the legitimate financial pressures confronting their children during this economic downturn.

"This seems clearer to me as a question of values," Sasmor said. "Gambling and credit card debt are seen as irresponsible, while student loans, owning a home and a car are much more socially valued."

Continued: Children's financial education

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Thursday, October 01, 2009 9:59:52 PM
In order to accomplish your strategies of improving efficiency, increasing volume, and reorganizing your business, you've got to examine what you have, what you want, and how you plan to get there.
Friday, October 02, 2009 6:31:10 AM

I wouldnt loan a nickel more to my father, the SOB owes me $33,000 and has every excuse in the world why he can pay this or that but not me. Its to the point where the debt has seriously strained our relationship.

No dont borrow from family because it is nothing but heartache

Friday, October 02, 2009 7:17:42 AM

Four years of college debt free and a gently used car and they are off the dole.  Home is here if you need it or should you want to return after college, but don't expect to lounge around and regardless of helping out with home upkeep, once you have work and are living here expect to contribute to the bills.  A much better start in life than most people ever got, including my wife and I.

 

Get yourself into a credit card mess you'd better figure on how to get yourself out.  Your credit is shot anyway, and bankruptcy is there as a last resort.  If gambling, drinking, drugs, or foolishly living beyond your means is the reason for your mess, don't even bother making the telephone call.  If its a medical issue, or a job loss, then maybe a loan would be made.  But, it will be a real loan with interest and payment terms, and if it is large enough and you own property (and particularly if you're married at the time) that loan will be secured by a second mortgage.  If you don't pay that back the loan, with accumulated interest, is deducted from your inheritance (should there even be one).   

Friday, October 02, 2009 10:20:03 AM
In just commenting on dad vs. mom; I believe most women have a fear of being left a widow and will need the money.
Friday, October 02, 2009 1:44:58 PM

dads might figure that money that does not go to their own kids would go to their mom or to another woman and someone else's kids

Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:21:29 AM
I'd only give them enough each month to pay their interest on $20,000, with the absolute condition that they have to pay down the principal of the debt by the equivalent or more each month.  I wouldn't expect that interest money back. BTW - I'm a Dad
Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:29:54 AM

I have a father and mom,my mom would do anything for us kids ,the man I call a father would rather buy himself things,and keep his money than to help any of his 4 kids and thats been all my life and i am in my twentys so this servey really doesn't apply to everyone

Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:55:53 AM
Don't I know it, my husband's kids call only if they want money, and it gets real old.  One always has some crisis and calls to be bailed out.  And I love the old "I'll pay you back" when such and such happens.  Never has one dime been paid back and I expect it never will.  He just won't say no, and I'm the one feeling the strain.
Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:11:05 AM
My husband's son was in college when we met.  He paid everything, and I mean everything for that spoiled boy.  Before we married he got my husbands life insurance cashed out from his divorce.  The kid went through $18,000 like water.  He likes to flaunt nice things, pricy sunglasses, watches, etc.  As if he comes from money. Maxed out 5 credit cards then didn't pay, so guess who paid them off?  Dad paid 3 of the big ones and his Mom paid 2 little ones.  Anything sonny boy wants or even hints he wants Dad gets for him.  DUI's, it's ok Dad will pay over 4 K for a lawyer.  The sad part is Dad is NOT rich, he grew up in extreme poverty but now has a good job. I shop at thrift stores so Sonny can have a high life.
Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:33:34 AM
I had to laugh at this headline which is surely written by a "MAN"!  I've but three words for you "DO YOUR RESEARCH" and stop woman hating just because you can't get laid!  I have three grown kids who will attest to the fact that over my 23 yr marriage to their sad excuse for a father who never paid out as much as a dime to help with the financial needs of his kids while I worked 16 hr days to support the family.   "Where did his money go he says", toward other women and their children for diapers, baby food, groceries ect...Women he slept with over the years.  In the end he made everything known.  I guess he thought he needed to "start all over fresh" with someone else now, a new person who doesn't know about his sick ways so now he will begin to destroy a new family for how ever many years his new family will put up with it.  There is NO GREATNESS in any of the men of this world in this day and age just a whole lot of disappointment.
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