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MP Dunleavey

Women in Red

When your mate can't handle money

It might be tempting to seize the reins, but that would be a mistake. Here's a 4-step (and 2-person) plan for building a solid financial foundation for your relationship.

By MP Dunleavey
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Women often get tagged as spendthrifts, but men can be just as bad. Check out this recent post from the Women in Red community:

"(My husband) and I were paid last Friday, into our joint account. After paying our rent and his student loans, I went to visit my parents for the weekend. Upon my return, I discovered he has spent ALL of the remaining balance of our bank account on fast food, clothing, and going to movies."

How do you cope with a spouse who can't handle money? Some of the Gals in Red advocate ruling with an iron wallet:

"Your hubby is behaving like a little boy whose mommy will always come to his rescue and fix everything," wrote one irate woman, who prescribed the following punishment -- I mean, solution:

  • Open your own account and have your paychecks go there.

  • Divorce your credit from his. Take him off your credit card and vice versa. (This won't help if you live in a community-property state: Arizona, California, Idaho, Louisiana, New Mexico, Nevada, Texas, Washington or Wisconsin.)

  • Sit down with your husband and agree about who pays what and when. Put it in writing, and make him sign and date it.

It's so tempting to play dictator, especially when your spouse behaves irresponsibly (or takes refuge in a state of perpetual cluelessness). But, I've found, that isn't the road to a strong fiscal partnership.

As one reader put it: "I don't think this is about money, I think it is about communication. . . . There are better ways to handle the situation than to treat your spouse like a criminal (or a) child."

I'm not saying it's easy. It has taken all seven years of my relationship to get 80% on the same financial page as my spouse. And we still stumble. Recent example: Although he's in charge of paying bills (a triumph for him and a relief for me), I'm the one who had set up our automatic transfers to our ING savings accounts. That means he balances our checking account according to bills paid, often forgetting to include withdrawals for savings. The other day we came within $1.94 of overdrawing our account. Again.

Whose fault was that? We try to skip the blame game and go right to a solution. In this case, my husband needed a written record of the weekly savings withdrawals. Simple. Better communication solved the problem.

So when I hear women say that they can't trust their partners or that "he makes so many mistakes with our money that I have to take over," I don't buy it. Taking control doesn't solve the underlying problem (unless you want a mate who is perpetually helpless).

One issue might be confidence: Some men are just as anxious about money as many women are and dislike managing it. If your mate is fumbling the ball, he may lack basic money skills -- which can masquerade as a sort of macho indifference. ("Yeah, I spent the money for our bills on clothes. So?") Those skills can be learned.

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But from what I've seen, most couples never take the most basic steps of setting up a financial foundation for their relationship. Here's how to do it:

  • Agree on at least one goal, whether you want to get out of debt, save for a car, give the kids hockey lessons or visit the Outer Banks. Your priorities establish a base from which you make other money decisions. This is the most important first step.

  • Play to each other's strengths. My husband is great at handling day-to-day expenses. I'm good at monitoring the overall monthly/yearly budgets and planning for our retirement.

  • Talk daily about money. Each partner should know the baseline of what's going on: the balance in the household accounts, the cost of upcoming expenses and how much can be spent on what each week or month.

  • Respect each other's "needs" and negotiate them. If you "need" to get your hair done and he "needs" a flat-screen TV, figure out what's possible financially and plan accordingly. Nobody gets everything they want, in life or in marriage, so be flexible.

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Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:58:21 AM
You want an example of a mate that can't handle $$$ - mine purchased a new $30K ($35K w/interest) car - with only 10% down ON A CREDIT CARD - without my knowledge or participation.  Can you say separate finances?
Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:02:52 AM
Separating your finances is the first step in separating your marriage...
Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:29:26 AM
My husband was an avid gambler when  we got married. He couldn't keep a dollar in his pocket. We had an agreement before we got married he would have his check direct deposited and I would handle the money. He couldn't buy a banana  on credit and my credit was good. I gave him an allowance and we discussed any large purchase. 15 years later he has good credit and is fairly responsible with money. It took awhile and some patience but he has turned around 100%.
Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:33:39 AM

Marrying money with no consideration about the relationship upon which the marriage is based is no different than prostitution. Be honest, it's sex for money. Managing money is important just as being a good parent, a good citizen, and giving back to the community. I made the mistake of marrying someone the first time around who went through his pay like water. I failed to date him long enough to realize it was a habit not a reflection of the fact he was just out of school, had recently moved across country, and needed everything. I wrote it off and paid for it by spending the bulk of my marriage working two jobs while he did whatever he wanted. The best move I made was closing out the credit cards and separating our checking accounts. I ended up divorcing him when I realized if I continued to stay in the relationship I was never going to be able to survive with less than two jobs and if I continued to work two jobs it was going to kill me. In January I'll be debt free after 15 years of slavery which could have been avoided if my spouse had been more responsible. My suggestion is watch how your prospective partner behaves and make sure you are comfortable with their lifestyle decisions or in the long run it will strain your relationship--remember money is the number 1 reason for divorces in the US. Don't make everything joint -- ever! It's not wise. Someone will die first and the other one will need established credit to function. For the joint bills make is proportionate. If one brings home $75,000 and the other brings home $25,000 one should pay 3/4 of the bills; the other 1/4 of the bills. My sister and her spouse make about the same but she pays the medical insurance and savings plan meaning she has less for the bills and he expects her to pay for half the bills too. She never has money for herself and he goes around like everything is fine and never offers extra support. Lastly, don't take out a personal loan (use a credit card) to see a movie; that's crazy! CCs are for big purchases or short term spikes (such as back to school expenses; doctor visits); not daily survival unless you are rebuilding your credit and have a card with a monthly fee then you have to use it; so use it at the grocery store but don't max it out if you can avoid it. The average family can save $200-$600 a month by being cautious in how they spend their money. Communication can help but if your spouse doesn't respond to the communication chances are they have a problem; even an addition.

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:47:27 AM
SadI AM FUSTRATED BECAUSE I HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING TO GET HUBBIE TO LOOK AT OUR FINANCES BEFORE HE GOES TO BUY SOMETHING HE HAS NOT CHANGED IN THIS ASPECT FOR OVER 26 YEARS AND YES I FEEL LIKE MOMMIE WHO GETS US OUT OF TROUBLE WHEN HE GOES OFF THE DDEEEPPPP END. I JUST DO NOT KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN DO. WE HAVE ARGUED ABOUT THIS SEEMS LIKE FOREVER.
Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:49:32 AM

Yes they do need a "new" 4-door car for a baby…well actually for the parents. And it doesn't need to be brand new - a good used would work. My sister-in-law ended up with a chronic back problem from hauling my nephew in and out of his back seat carseat via a 2-door car. My nephew was 8 before she finally conquered her back pain. Cost way more in doctor and therapy visits all those years than it would have been to just get a new/different car.

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Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:18:13 PM
Money represents someone's time and effort taken out of the time they have on this earth. If a spouse doesn't respect that then I suggest you do not have a good marriage to begin with.  If this is the situation, then you need separate accounts for everything just to protect yourself. 
Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:19:58 PM
In my case, I spend a lot more than my wife. It has been a problem for many years. That all stopped with the current recession. Even though I had spent many times more than her ( sometimes 20- 30 k at once) , it has paid off. What I bought was classic cars, motorcycles, guns and ammo. My first cash-in  a few months ago, sold a car, 4 bikes, and a few guns netted more than a years income. Everything sold for much more than original cost. Stuff she bought aside from some antiques- yard sale. Had fun, made money, barely scratched the surface.
Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:22:07 PM

I find it sad that, in her typical fashion, Ms. Dunleavey has put such a one-way spin on her article, reflecting a view that it's almost always the male partner's fault when finances go awry in a relationship.  Some would say that she's only reporting in a way that reflects a 'general trend'.  Funny, that is to me, when I think of the ridicule I would be subject to if I (as a man) were to state anything about marriages in general using such a sexist slant.  Shame on you, Ms. Dunleavey.

PS - For the record, at the age of 33 I married a wonderful woman who was in horrible financial shape, in spite of the fact that she’d had no college debt, nor children nor a previous spouse while earning a very respectable income over the ~10 years prior.  With my guidance, she has come a very long way, but it has not been easy.  For me, it has taken as much patience as anything else to see us through…

 

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:28:26 PM
My wife's spending used to be out of control.  I got her to sit down and create a budget based on what we agreed sounded reasonable for each of a dozen or so categories (food, entertainment, utilities, etc--everything we could think of that we spend on), and that matched our income.  Then came the tricky part--I got her to sit down each week to add up our receipts and see how we were doing compared to the budget in each category.  My wife was shocked to see how much more she was spending than she herself had thought was reasonable.  But with the budget as a tool, we were able to find areas to reduce spending, and revised our budget where necessary.  For a long time (years) my wife hated the weekly ritual of adding our receipts because she felt guilty about overspending, but she eventually came to really value it and now helps to remind me when it is time to add our receipts so that she can see if she stayed within budget.  Now we both know where the other is spending money, and make sure to stay within our means most months and even put some money into savings and retirement accounts (the savings often gets used for months where we don't live within our means, such as at Christmas time or when we go on vacation, but the retirement money NEVER gets touched).
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