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Liz Pulliam Weston

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No such thing as too much credit?

If a little is good, is more better? Unless you can't help but spend money you don't have, the answer is yes. Here are 6 reasons high credit limits are helpful.

By Liz Pulliam Weston
MSN Money

We've known the basics of how credit scoring works for nearly a decade now. Yet I still hear from readers who think they can improve their credit, or their finances, by closing accounts or having their credit limits lowered.

This behavior stems, I believe, from the still-widespread myth that you can have too much credit.

Here's the reality: There's no such thing as too much credit, unless you're a debt addict. If that's the case -- if you've never seen a credit card you couldn't max out -- then this column is not for you. You should cut up your cards, seek counseling and pay off your debt.

Most people, by contrast, handle credit more or less responsibly. Forty percent of cardholders regularly pay their balances in full, according to Federal Reserve statistics, and half of those who do carry debt owe $3,000 or less.

It's those folks I'm talking to. And I'll say it again: There's no such thing as too much credit, particularly these days.

Here's why:

  • Having "too much credit" isn't a negative for FICO scores. You might get dinged for opening the accounts, but the FICO scoring formula (the one used by most lenders) doesn't penalize you for having too many once they're opened. If you get a score and are told the reason it isn't higher is because you have "too much available credit," you probably didn't get a FICO score but one of its competitors. "We just went through the full list of reason codes for FICO scoring, and it contains nothing remotely like 'too much available credit,'" said Craig Watts, a FICO spokesman.

  • Lots of available credit typically helps your credit scores. Once they're established, credit accounts typically improve your scores as long as you don't pay late or max them out. The FICO credit-scoring system is very sensitive to the gap between the credit you use and your available limits. The bigger the gap -- on each account and overall -- the better for your scores. Closing accounts or asking for lower limits shrinks that gap and can hurt your scores.

  • Your income isn't a factor. I've read a lot of well-meaning but completely inaccurate advice about how you should limit your available credit to a certain percentage of your income (with the percentage varying by how much credit the particular writer has). This is nonsense. Credit-scoring formulas don't even take income into account.

  • Lenders may care, but they probably won't. Before the advent of FICO scores, many lenders were suspicious of those with "too much credit," worried these borrowers would suddenly rush out, max out their cards and then default. FICO's research indicates this fear was overblown -- if you've handled credit responsibly in the past, you're likely to continue to do so -- but some lenders are still wary. If you run into one of those, you can placate them by closing accounts, but you risk damage to your credit scores.

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  • Credit card issuers have gone a little nuts. In their efforts to reduce their risk, many credit card companies have been slashing limits, raising rates and closing accounts. Now they're threatening to add new fees. (Read "Banks have declared war -- on you.") Some have taken more-drastic steps by targeting not just risky borrowers but good customers who have always paid on time. The people who are in the best position to fight back are those who can simply take their business elsewhere. If you have plenty of other established accounts, you can start using them instead and transfer any balances. Also, a lower limit on one card isn't a credit-scoring crisis if you have lots of other cards.

  • You don't need to worry that much about fraud. Yes, identity theft is a real problem, but if one of your existing accounts is hijacked, you're not responsible for the bogus charges if you report them within 60 days. If you have so many accounts you can't keep track of them, you may want to winnow the herd, but most people can remind themselves to log in to their accounts every month or so to check their charges.

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Monday, July 13, 2009 5:03:25 AM

Cash is king.  Learn to pay cash and you will control your life and not some greedy banking company.  You do not need a FICO score or any credit history to get an apartment or car or house.  You wave cash in front of people and they will fall over themselves to help you.  And with cash, you can even bargain for a lower price.

 

 

Monday, July 13, 2009 6:44:01 AM
Two minor problems here:

  1. Check your accounts every month... Oh yes, I should be logging into Sears, JC Penny, and other places to check on those accounts I have had forever. Because oddly enough if I close those it *hurts my score*. So now I get to do this forever? Mmmmhm.
  2. Take your business elsewhere. Ah yes. Once again cancel your card and it hurts one's precious "scores"
I really try not to care about FICO these days. I pull my reports 3 times a year (for free) and the last time I checked I had an 800. Big deal. As a Prosper lender myself, I learned the hard way that even if you go for the "A" rated people you will still get defaults and a messy portfolio.

Find lenders who look at the whole picture. Anyone who would lend on FICO alone is probably a credit card company or a bank with... "problems". *sigh* We tried for years to figure out how banks were making money lending "by the numbers" while we were getting creamed. The answer was simple:

They weren't.

CZ



Monday, July 13, 2009 7:39:56 AM
"Credit" is just another word for "Debt" so the ovbious answer is "YES" you can have too much Debt. - What I'd like to know is why so many people have been allowed (the *nod*) to accumulate MORE Debt when the either defaulted on past Debts, leaving outstanding past due amounts. - "Sure, give'em a Credit Card ... we'll check their report later. In fact, give'em 10% off their first purchase for filling out the Credit Aplication too!" - It's been too easy folks. - and don't get me started on those (imaginary) Late Fees that could be wiped out with a simple *decision* and a mouse click by the entry level minions of Debt Collection. (That's why the Media told everyone to be "NICE" to their caller who was so rude calling you 50 times a day.) Because THEY make the decision as to weather you get a break or go into deeper debt. Fortunately, there is a thing called KARMA that takes care of those who screw good people ... and a Hell for those who took advantage of the system selfishly on BOTH sides of the Credit Deals. God Bless the Innocent who paid cash.
Monday, July 13, 2009 11:09:45 AM
Hmmm... Just one caveat.  I had a large amount of available credit on all my accounts, paid on time, "pays as agreed", so on and so on.  Then last fall when the credit card companies got nervous, they slashed my limits (that they had so generously lavished on me, never by my request) to just above the used credit levels.  Some cards also jacked my rates and minimum payments.   So far I've still  paid on time, "pays as agreed", althought it's now a struggle.  But my credit score has plunged due to manipulations by these companies.   It's as if they want to push me over the cliff! Sad
Monday, July 13, 2009 3:30:14 PM

We use three major credit cards regularly, each with a $25,000 line of credit, two with $5000 cash advance limits, and one with $7000 cash advance limits.   One of the $5000 cash advance limit cards just reduced that from a full $25,000 cash advance limit last month.  No reason was given and we always pay in full each month and don't use cash advance, so I guess they freaked out.  Monthly charges on all cards combined can be as high as $15,000 a month, but are usually between $5000 and $7000.  

 

We have also had a corporate card closed by the issuer (it was a seasonal business and the card was closed for lack of use as the season was about to start up) and we decided to close an American Express business card account with $40,000 limits in protest when American Express began closing other people's business accounts or severely reducing limits earlier in the recession.  Our thinking was that if AE did business that way we really didn't want to rely upon them anyway, nor did we want to let them make money off of the merchants that we would have presented the card to.

 

We also have many store specific accounts, and in many cases we have several accounts with the same store.  Those cards never get used except in connection with opening up an account to take advantage of a discount, and if it is not at least $50 off we don't even bother with that anymore. 

 

Cards are used for everything we can use them for and paid off in full each month.  We have charged upwards of $10,000 to purchase cars, our children's tuition, insurance, service calls, utilities (provided they do not charge an fee for the service) and everything else we can from gas, groceries to morning coffee.  On our major cards the least we get is 1% cash back while the most we get is 3% cash back.  We refuse to pay annual fees, and over the past several years we receive around  $2,000 or more a year in cash back.  Cash is not necessarily king, and credit is not another word for debt as one poster wrote.   There are ways to beat the system but the key is being able to pay the balance off each month in full.

 

We also used to take advantage of "same as cash" financing in furnishing our house in years past, and again, you have to stay on top of the bills and pay before any penalty is tripped.  We'd leave the money in interest earning accounts while awaiting the time to pay the bill, and made hundreds or more in interest essentially using the retailers credit. 

 

Our FICO scores upon last check were 830 and 820.  We also know that our credit scores have provided access to lower car insurance and to lower mortgage interest rates when we had a mortgage.

Monday, July 13, 2009 3:38:20 PM
A solution to the credit slashing problem might have been not to have so much credit in the first place. Oddly enough none of my cards have slashed my limit. Odd because I have only three: Amex, a MasterCard with a 1k limit and a Sears card.

I have many lines of credit, but likewise they are small and have never been cut.

So..... Maybe having a lot of credit is NOT a good idea. Go figure.

Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:07:31 PM

Credit scores are irrelevant if balances are paid monthly.

Federal Reserve Survey of Consumer Finances 2007, shows that 46.1 percent of families with debt have a mean Credit Card balance of $7,300.  They are No 4 on the risk list.  No 3 on the risk list is 39.4 percent of families with debt have a mean Auto Vehicle loan of $14,600.  About 33 percent of families have no mortgage or recurring/non recurring debt.  The averages are from families with debt including home mortgage and 8 other catgories of debt.  Some have multiple categories including home mortgage.

Friday, July 31, 2009 3:01:19 AM
This will never concern me. My parents do fine without credit cards and car payments so I do the same. I pay my cars in full and don't buy things I don't need. Nobody will ever convince me to get a credit card. I'm happy, debt free and will always have money set aside for whatever reason.
Friday, July 31, 2009 5:10:51 AM
People working with risk management at banks will think too much credit sometimes will be a problem. Unless you don't use those credit. Once the debt gets out of control, people will default, no matter how good their previous credit score is. I think credit card companies are partly responsible for this problem. Since they give people too much credit in order to make money out of it. The regular people that carry a balance are hurt the most.
Friday, July 31, 2009 7:41:56 AM
I got sucked into the myth you needed credit cards to establish a FICO score. It is BS. All your credit score does is tell people you like debt nothing more.  And that most businesses do not know how to interpret your credit score rating for squat. All I can say is read Dave Ramsey's book Total Money Make Over. Just do it.  You'll see what fools we have been with credit cards and FICO scores.
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