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Extra6/17/2009 5:00 PM ET

Credit card issuers ready to deal

When a customer is out of a job, a card issuer can be out of luck. But once-immovable banks are now offering to settle -- often for far less than they're owed.

By Catherine Holahan
MSN Money

Record numbers of Americans are falling behind on their credit card bills, but for many debt-laden consumers, there's an upside. Increasingly, banks are negotiating with debtors, and, in some cases, they're willing to take substantially less than what is owed.

Banks modifying consumer loans isn't new. In 2008, 2.7 million credit card loans were modified in some manner, according The Nilson Report, an industry journal. It is widely expected that debt holders will alter the terms on even more loans this year.

"Modifications, in a general sense, have gone up lately," said Peter Garuccio, a spokesman for the American Bankers Association. "One of the observations from the mortgage crisis is that there, perhaps, wasn't enough reaching out to people that looked like they might be in trouble."

Debt 'forgiveness'

This time, burned banks and credit card issuers are initiating the discussions. Companies such as Bank of America are agreeing to reduce monthly payments and interest rates for clients who are facing financial difficulties or have sustained blows to their incomes. In some cases, banks are even forgiving a portion of customers' outstanding balances.

"We evaluate the individual customer situation, and, based on that, we propose solutions. . . . We might reduce the monthly payment, eliminate fees, or we could refer the customer to a debt management program," said Bank of America spokeswoman Betty Riess. "On a case-by-case basis, we also may settle for less than the full balance."

A recent article in The New York Times included the account of one Chicago man who'd had his $5,486 balance cut in half.

"If you just let them know you lost your job, the likelihood is pretty darn high that they will just believe you," said David Robertson, publisher of The Nilson Report. "In this day and age, everyone is functioning within the reality that once someone loses their job, it is pretty much over. You are not going to get money back out of that person until they get another job."

The reality that most people do not have sufficient savings to pay their bills on unemployment checks alone is part of the reason banks are willing to work with customers. It's better, after all, to receive some money than to spend time and energy fighting with customers who simply cannot pay their bills in full.

By law, a bank must write off a loan as a loss if a customer fails to pay for six months. Though the bank may still try to recover a portion of the money through a collection agency, the bank knows it will likely receive less than a nickel on the dollar at that point, Robertson said.

Banks are competing for whatever cash is left

Competition for consumers' available cash is perhaps an even bigger driver of loan modifications. Banks know that each customer who is late paying a credit card bill likely has other outstanding credit card balances with rival banks. In fact, most consumers have more than one credit card, and one in seven has 10 or more cards. Consumers who seek debt counseling have an average of 62% of their annual income on household credit cards.

The goal in modifying a loan, said Robertson, is to ensure that the customer chooses to pay back the flexible bank the most money possible, rather than spend whatever money he or she has satisfying another debt obligation.

"This is not a win-win situation," said Robertson. "One issuer will win, and another will lose."

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Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:46:38 PM

I consider myself to be an honest, hard worker that works diligently to honor any debts that I have accrued but I have to come to realize that this is just impossible to do with credit card companies:

 

I have over $33,000 in CC debt in which (believe it or not) my payments were under control -- you know, longstanding customer with no late pays, always paid more than the minimum -- until last month ... I forgot to make ONE payment (aagghh!!!) & all hell just broke loose on me.

 

Within two weeks of missing that payment -- I kid you not -- I got a late fee, an email and a letter (all justifiable) but also a letter saying that from the company's CC debt mgt plan in which they gave me until the 19th of this month to opt for taking (that was yesterday the 9th).  O.K. it sounded good, I thought, let me think about exploring this option.  Well ... at 8:11 AM (today the 10th) I got a call from them & before I could finish saying, "Hello." I got hit with a, "This call is being recorded."  That's when I lost it ... I said to myself, "You know what ... This is ridiculous ... I don't don't feel like being "recorded" for explaining why I missed ONE payment! So .. I started probing deeper into all my CC cards.

 

That's when I found out that all my CCs had been lowered to just under the limit so that even if I made the new minimum payment, I would automatically go above the credit limit, thereby, getting an over the credit fee & higher interest rate. Oh yeah, I discovered also that all my CCs had gone mysteriously from 6% & 8% to 22.24% over the last few months.

 

So, I decided to do something about it and had my debt analyzed by a professional.  That when I found out that:

 

1. If I keep paying the bill it would take me 27 YEARS to payoff!!

 

2. A debt management plan would take 4 1/2 years to payoff (that's cool) but it would leave me with a positive cash flow of $54 each month (I kid you not) & mess up my credit score for YEARS.

 

3. Debt settlement  (with a DS company) still leaves you vulnerable to being sued & it costs 15% of the original debt owed which meant that for 18 months I would be making service fee payments to cover that cost & that also messes up your credit score for YEARS.

 

4. Doing a debt settlement on your own still messes up your score for YEARS & you might still get sued later due to an unforeseen loophole.

 

So ... I decided to say, "FUGEDDABOWDIT!!!!"

 

 I am determined now to beat these CC companies at their own game who think they have ALL the bases covered.  I have decided to  go bankrupt! Yep, it messes up your credit for YEARS but for a cost of little under $2,000 at least I can sleep at night more peacefully & get up in the morning to my coffee (that was brewed just right Smile ) wihtout being hit with one of those annoying calls Secret Service type recorded calls slapping you in the face!

 

I truly hope this message helps another honest, hard worker out there who is dealing with these immoral CC companies, too.

 

Good Luck to ya' ... God Bless you all!!

 

Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:19:55 AM

I work a steady job, pay my CC bills ahead of the due date and pay more than the minimum. Yet, the usual suspects listed in some of the comments decided that, due to nothing more than my ZIP code (a military base, although I am not military), they needed to double my rate and payments. I can still pay them, but you know what? It sucks that some company like Capital One thinks it is OK to hose the military in a time of war.

 

I wonder how many guys are in a war zone and their biggest fear is not the enemy over there but rather the enemy here going after their spouses and families who are being put into financial danger.  Members of the Guard and the Reserves lose a lot of pay when they are activated as it is, so going after them hurts more. If they get wounded, they are never going to be able to catch up.

 

The worst thing is that I still get piles of offers from the same companies who raised my rates in the first place. They offer me a rate even lower than I started with, lower annual fees and better incentives than I have now. But then deny me because of my mailing address. Yet they keep sending the offers to that same address. Sad

Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:35:48 PM

I just recently lost my job and I called today to talk to the credit card company.  They lowered my interest rate from 29.99% to 10% for a year.  I did get another job, but it is only minimum wage which is only $7.29 an hour. 

 

 I hope that I am able to work with the companies that I owe money to, but if not, regardless of how people feel about whether I have to default on my credit cards loans or not, I could care less. This is my life and I will do the best I can considering the circumstances. 

 

  Before I lost my job, I paid my bills on time and my credit rating was very high.  Today, I am struggling and just trying to stay afloat.  In the great depression, I bet there were many people playing the high and mighty act.  But in reality, there were more people losing everything they had due to the loss of employment. 

Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:20:17 PM
123948567, talk about whining! Learn how to spell whining! DUH!
Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:53:32 PM

So then what if you develop cancer and all of a sudden  are unable to work? What if you've lost most of your retirement savings and there is no cash pad for you to fall back on? 

Are you saying if you're no longer able to walk without help and cannot eat without vomiting from your chemo that you should still suck it up and pay your bills in full even though you are not working because you happened to be diagnosed with an unexpected disease?  A person is expected to work in this condition? 

Public assistance will probably only give you 600$ a month.  If you try for Social security disability, it's going to take a minimum of two years before you'll begin receiving any benefits. 

Can you please explain your stance on this?

Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:21:36 PM
I'm so angered by the fact that responsible users of credit cards, who paid off their monthly bill and kept their credit balances in line with what they earned and could repay at any time are AGAIN getting sc***ed to the wall by the mass of "irresponsibles." Who are they? Those who saw their home as an investment with an open-ended withdrawal account attached to it instead of a place to live. Those who were too stupid to understand that an investment is not guaranteed and are currently whinning about losing a place to live or worse, whinning about losing equity in a market they were seriously too stupid to see (4-years ago, guys) would come to a screeching halt.

It appears that in America it does not pay to be responsible or intelligent. It pays to be stupid and get out of it later like a child, as evidenced this article. I was proud I was American, even though Bush was a disasterous national choice-TWICE! But, the irresponsibles have made America exactly what Bush got the nation accused of worldwide--arrogance, greed, stupidity, and----irresponsibility. If we were animals, you guys would be gone from the gene pool. Do you understand that? DUH!
Tuesday, July 14, 2009 5:11:28 PM
I called the bank that has my credit card-US Bank recently, and told them I've made on-time payments for a length of time and I'd like my interest rate lowered. The person said "We aren't doing that right now, check back in a few months". I called back and asked to speak to a supervisor. The supervisor said "We aren't doing that for anyone, call back in 6 months". So, which is it? Obviously, there is something seriously wrong with this system-it's completely screwy. You can't get an apartment, a car, a house here in the US without credit-but now everything is so bad we all need to carry cash? When will we get ourselves out of this mess?!
Tuesday, July 14, 2009 5:03:48 PM

The advice I recently got from a paralegal is to form a corporation and move your assets, (house, car wahtever), into them.  That way if anybody sues you they cannot go after what is in there. 

I already had an LLC for my business and just moved my home, my car that is paid for and my daughters home, That I own, (the bank owns and she makes the payment on), into it.   I am meeting with a bankruptcy attorney in a couple of days 'just to see' if I have any options.

To all you 'holier-than-thou's' out there, Pray that 'life' doesn't happen to you.  In 2002 My IT job was outsourced to India and I have been in Real Estate for 5 years and now that is tanked.  A year ago my FICO's were in the 800's, minimal CC balances and I had a perfect 35 year credit history, not even one late payment, Ever.  But no income and running a business meant using the cards and they pulled all the crap on me that I see in these posts, raising the interest, not lowering when asked.  And then in January I did not have one nickel of income so I made a decision to withdraw what was left of my 401k to live on and started making $5.00 payments on my CC's.  Within one month the phone calls started, Within 3 months they started calling all wanting to make temporary arrangements with me to lower the interest and the payments, as long as I 'made a promise to pay'. 

But WAIT! I still basically have no income, so I can't promise to pay.  Now Six months later  I am getting calls saying they are turning things over to a third party.  I say go right ahead, my credit is tanked anyway and I still don't have much income, (I've been on and off food stamps since February depending on whether or not I make a reportable sale.)  So from what I see, if I had the money to take out bankruptcy, (the attorney I am seeing does pro bono work), that would be on my credit 10 years, a judgment would be on it 7 years unless they renew it and the charge-offs would be on it 7 years.  So it is a lose-lose situation. There is nothing anybody can do to deal with the CC companies, they will do whatever they want. 

 

I am basically tagging along with my daughter to the bankrupty attorney because she has not been able to get a job after graduating from college in December and is working 2 part-time jobs to the tune of $7.50 per hour for 19 hours per week and has had to resort to CC's to live on too.

Oh... and my solution to all the calls was to turn the ringers off and have it hooked up to an answering machine, then you can choose to call whomever back.  Which I have done, Plus written numerous letters to the CC companies to no avail, they still continue to call.  On my cell phone I programmed in their phone #'s so knew which calls not to answer.  Life is more tolerable that way.

 

What a world....what a world...

Tuesday, July 14, 2009 5:03:25 PM
Zorro, You are correct. Citibank is one of the worst. To be completely honest with us and yourself you must understand that the 37 grand that was placed into your account should have been a red flag. You are in a one bedroom because you were stupid. The sooner you understand that and accept responsibility then the sooner you will be able to get your life back. Good grief! 37 grand and you asked them and not your employer? Come on now. I feel bad for you but then I don't.
Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:53:08 PM
I don't believe you.  If it did happen, why would you not know you didn't have money coming from your employer.  Phooney Baloney!
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