Liz Pulliam Weston: Can a lender sue after foreclosure?

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Lose your house, then get sued

Foreclosure or a short sale may not free you of financial obligations around your home -- a humongous bill could arrive years later. Here's how to protect yourself.

By Liz Pulliam Weston
MSN Money

Losing a home to foreclosure or struggling to arrange a short sale is hard enough. But another blow may lie ahead if your lender comes after you for the difference between what you owe and what your home is ultimately worth.

The bill, which can arrive years after a foreclosure or short sale is completed, comes as a big shock to many, said Ike Shulman, a bankruptcy attorney in San Jose, Calif., a co-founder of the National Association of Consumer Bankruptcy Attorneys.

"I see a lot of people who had no idea they'd be stuck with debt" after a short sale or foreclosure, Shulman said. "These aren't small amounts. I had one (client sued) for $175,000."

State laws vary widely. About half of the states have "judicial foreclosure," in which foreclosures happen in court and lenders are allowed to sue borrowers when the proceeds of a foreclosure or short sale don't cover everything that's owed -- a gap known as a deficiency. Other states put restrictions on lenders' ability to pursue such debt, but only North Dakota and Oregon forbid deficiency judgments of any kind.

Even in states that offer borrowers more protection, however, you could still find a lender coming after you for money.

For example, California is a "nonjudicial foreclosure" state; its courts typically aren't used for foreclosures, and lenders normally aren't allowed to sue homeowners over mortgages used to purchase homes. But the protection is weaker if a homeowner had refinanced a loan and may not exist at all for second mortgages, such as home equity loans or lines of credit, that are taken out after a purchase.

"When you have a second mortgage, the chances are greater that you're going to get sued," said attorney Stephen Elias, the author of a "The Foreclosure Survival Guide: Keep Your House or Walk Away With Money in Your Pocket."

Another way people can be vulnerable is when they're trying to arrange a short sale -- a sale of their home for less than they owe -- and the lender includes a clause in the paperwork that puts the borrower on the hook for some or all of the remaining debt. Alternatively, the paperwork may not mention the remaining debt at all, giving the lender the freedom to pursue it later.

"(Short sellers) could have unknowingly signed up to pay debt that they wouldn't owe in a foreclosure," Shulman said. "There's a lot of misinformation and a lack of information. . . . In many cases, people are flying blind."

Will your lender sue you?

Just the fact that a lender can sue you, however, doesn't mean that it actually will. There aren't any hard figures showing how many lenders are pursuing borrowers for debt, and some say the lawsuit threat is overblown.

Lenders often don't pursue borrowers for deficiency judgments because it's usually not worthwhile economically, said Brent T. White, an associate professor of law at the University of Arizona who wrote a research paper called "Underwater and Not Walking Away: Shame, Fear and the Social Management of the Housing Crisis."

White believes lenders, politicians and the news media exaggerate the threat to discourage deeply "underwater" borrowers from abandoning their mortgages. (See "Are you foolish to pay your mortgage?")

The costs of lawsuits and the fact that many borrowers can't pay are factors keeping lenders from pursuing more deficiency judgments, agreed Jon Maddux, the CEO of You Walk Away, a site that advises homeowners about foreclosure and strategic default.

Maddux also believes lenders are concerned about bad public relations. Lenders don't want to be seen as "kicking people when they're down," Maddux said. "And people know (big lenders) received bailout money, and they're making profits again."

Those, Maddux said, are among the reasons that only six out of more than 4,000 clients served by You Walk Away have been saddled with deficiency judgments.

"Only six cases in the last three years, and those were primarily people with second mortgages," Maddux said. "That's a very low risk. . . . It's a safe risk to take. I don't think that should deter anyone from strategic default or walking away from a house."

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10/28/2010 12:25 PM
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Too those of you who think they are too smart to be caught in the financial problems that face us today. I say good luck to you and may the bird of Paradise never pooh pooh on your wheaties and the floor beneath your feet never be soil at the side of a contamied river! God Bless this mess we have created and help us to see the way out.
10/15/2010 1:14 PM
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I bought a house 3 yrs ago through Bank of America. Was ontime with my payments for 1 yr and was hospitalized because of a stroke. That left my husband the only one working. I was denied disibility. So when I was able to talk I called the bank and told them what was going on. They told me that they was willing to lower the payments so we could stay in the home. The following week I received a letter from the bank. It said that my payments was going from 762.00 to 1032.00. Now you would think that the bank would do what they said. How do you think I felt, not being able to work and seeing that. I put the house up for sale, needless to say the house didn't sale. It stayed ont he market for 2 yrs, and the realitor took it off. We have tried short sale and the deed in leiu. It has been 2 yrs since the bank took any money from us because it wasn't the amount they wanted. I still talk to the bank about once a month, we don't live in the home anymore. The last time I talked to the bank I ask them what they was going to do. they have to choses 1. forclose or 2. do the deed in leiu. Either way I can't save the home. People don't expect to get sick or hurt after buying a home. That is god's choose not ours
10/12/2010 9:19 PM
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I'm sooo tired of hearing these little whiny excuses for peoples' defaults.  Look, if you can't make the payments, then don't borrow the money.  And, if you thought you could make the payments, and later you find out you could not, then you are a moron.  Quit whining, make your payments.  Stop expecting everyone to give you something.
10/12/2010 7:00 PM
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the people who abused the system should be held accountable but.. there are exceptions to the rule, i am short selling my home because of a back injury and because FedEx woud not give me the fmla twice , fedex choose to terminated me, was that right Hell no. and then took my health insurance away only to get cobra bill at 800.000 per month .  Was that fair? now I am on SSDI with no savings , paying lawyers to get my long term that I already paid for .  Give me a break these bank aren't going too or the goverment . who is going to bail me out ? Screw them
10/12/2010 5:47 PM
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my house went up for foreclosure and bank made 53,000 more than what i owed! i did not see the extra money they made on it!!
10/12/2010 10:58 AM
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I'm a small private lender - NOT a bank. Part of my retirement consists on making real estate loans. So, when times were good, my borrowers paid. Now, they don't want to pay and somehow I'm the bad guy for having loaned them money.

So, I guess that since times are now not so good, they should just walk away from their responsibility, huh? And, after their fighting a foreclosure and stalling with a bankruptcy, I'm a couple years down the road, paying off the attorneys, holding the bag and trying to rent the property they junked up?

For you people who advocate walking away from responsibility, who will make loans to these folks the next time around when people like me refuse to subsidize them?

I'm sure it won't be you - and you can take that one to the bank.

 

10/12/2010 10:40 AM
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In addition, I agree that folks who "strategically" default, by this I mean knowingly taking advantage of the lending system, knowing that their home valuation has been grossly over stated, to those folks, you do indeed need to step up and pay it back.My husband and I refinanced our home to do some badly needed improvements. The appraisal was ridiculously high. The bank offered us the full amount, but we declined...why.... because we knew that appraisal was inflated and that it would bite us later. So, we took out only what we needed and it was well below what we know our true property value is.  Greed was the driving force behind most of that nightmare, and it wasn't just the lenders.
10/12/2010 10:31 AM
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IMO, folks who cast judgements against others, without considering all of the facts have never had to live in the real world. Life has not yet dealt them the blows that would force someone to give up their home and become homeless (who would choose that for themselves or their family?), and so on. One of my favorite quotes is " Tis better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt".
10/12/2010 8:58 AM
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I agree with beachmom3 - my husband had a successful business that hit a downturn in late 2007 - had to file bk in order to get out from under - in the meantime, have 3 mortgages on our property and trying to short sell for almost a year now - he has since been hurt on the job and is not working - it is aggravating to hear people come out with comments that make it seem as though it is our fault - we were trying to live the American dream, have a home, own your own business, take care of our family - turns out that it is actually a nightmare - we do not live in a mansion, we do not drive expensive cars or take exotic trips - we bought a reasonably priced home almost 8 years ago, then borrowed to add to it so that we could take in a family member in need and to try to boost our business - NOT to take vacations or buy expensive stuff - NO ONE goes into a contract with the intention of going into a default situation (at least we didn't!!) - I pray that anyone who has never had any type of financial difficulty NEVER does - it is very stressful and takes a toll on the whole family - for all of you who choose to blame the consumers - open your eyes - the lenders have put themselves in this situation - and they get a bailout from the government!!  WHERE IS MY BAILOUT???????
10/12/2010 7:30 AM
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SunTrust is the worst bank. for the past 14 months I appled for a modification  I provided all the documents requested. 5 months after they requested additional documents, the same ones i already faxed. yet again I have now re faxed three other times. I call to know what the status some guy told me  that I have refused the modification.  Right now i am trying to find a lawyer to see if i have a case.

10/12/2010 7:29 AM
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I have owned 4 homes now and have the last one paid off. Now what I don't get is on all but the last one I had to pay PMI if I didn't have 20% as a down payment. The banks don't require that any more? Funny most people here are blaming

someone else for their problems I guess they didn't do any research in the bank loans and purchased more house than they needed. Sorry to you because you get what you ask for.

10/12/2010 7:21 AM
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adding insult to injury. when these banks foreclose they are in control of the outcome. if they sell for less than the value its their own fault. most of properties they take are not secured , or winterized , or maintained letting them fall into distress. they should be forced to takecare of these propperties
10/05/2010 9:25 PM
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Chase is the worst bank for the past six months I appled for a modification  I provide all the documents requested  on the 9-16-10 one employe called me and requested additional document I faxed all I have available on the 17 st after instructed by an employe  with a notethat the missing document will follow on the 21st I send the missing document  Chase never sent me a letter  today I decide to call to know what the status some guy told me  that I have refused the modification and requested a short sale I could not believe his audacity  telling me that I have two choices sign a deed in lieu of foreclosure or lose my property to foreclosure.

10/05/2010 7:51 PM
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what is the law in fla. about the walk away or letting them going into foreclouser  if you cannot file bankruphy because of preverious  trys
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Walking away from a mortgage has now become a business decision.  Leave personal feelings and morality out of the equation.  No one buys a house with ideas of paying for years on the mortgage, only to lose all their payments when the equity is lost in a bad market.  But when you have a bad business losing money every month you shut it down! When stocks fall, they're sold! Banks & corporations file BK often to get out of there debt, why shouldn't we.  All you holier than thou can continue paying on your home with no future value, and others will walk away from the bad investment and debt just like the big boys do it, with a big fat BK. Peace
10/04/2010 3:16 PM
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What about short sale on a VA guarenteed loan? Can they still sue you then? Or will the govenment come after you?
10/04/2010 2:57 PM
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This is humorous the reality is that the whole mess was created by the good people on Wall Street and the financial sector facilitated by or friends in Congress and the Senate. These are the people that need to be thrown in jail for the biggest rip off in American history. This is probably the biggest heist that has ever been conceived. And no not john G public is responsible for this calamity but again they will bear the brunt of this facade. Compassion from the financial sector that was the test of course, of which they failed because this whole calamity could have been abated with one year’s payments for bared. But instead they chose this course they yet have to realize that credit is a two edged sword and it is about to cut both ways. Those in the credit and financial sector remember you will reap what you sew

10/04/2010 2:12 PM
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People who know it all are making some astoundingly judgmental, uninformed statements here that demand a reply:

  

“This "crash" would not have happened if people hadn't bought overpriced houses based on the assumption that they could sell them for more in the future. “  We were under no such assumption; we simply moved to this state to buy a house nearer our children.  We never planned to sell the house at all. 

 

“I guess it is all about personal responsibility, either you have it or you don't.  Some people live within their means, others don't, the funny thing is that those who don't want to be to taken care of by those that do.”  My 65-year-old husband rides a bicycle to work every day, 7 miles each way, so we can keep only one car (8 years old and paid for).  We eat out at most once a week – at places like Denny’s.  We have no credit card debt because we DON’T live beyond our means.  And we don’t want anybody else to take care of us, thank you.  We’ve never been on any kind of government assistance, have always taken care of ourselves, and it’s killing us to be ‘failing’ in this way as it is, without being looked down on by cretins like you.  Compassion and the ability to be non-judgmental; either you have it or you don’t.

 

“The people defaulting now don't have to be.  They can pay their bills.  They have jobs.  They just want to get rid of a bad investment.  How do I know this?  Because if you lost your job and can't pay your bills you would be filing bankruptcy.  You would not be doing a foreclosure.”   I worked for 48 years before recently retiring so I could have 4 surgeries I have needed but put off for more than three years, hoping the economy would improve.  My husband will retire in November after working for more than 50 years.  We have never missed a mortgage payment in our lives, and have always paid all our bills, so we are not just ‘trying to get rid of a bad investment.’  Then why will we walk away now?  We will face foreclosure now to AVOID bankruptcy, genius.  If we stay in the house we can no longer afford, we will be forced into bankruptcy in the next year, anyway, and THEN foreclosure.  By walking away now, as much as it feels like personal failure, we can at least avoid bankruptcy on our previously spotless credit record. 

 

So… if we’re really not the lazy, irresponsible, worthless pieces of crap you say we are, what horrible thing did we do wrong? 

 

Our one mistake after all those years of fiscal responsibility was moving out of a house in 2005 that would have been paid for in 3 years, and buying one in a more expensive state in January of 2006 to move closer to our kids.  We did not anticipate that my health would go so drastically downhill and force me to retire; but even if we had, we would have assumed that we could refinance the house, if we had to.  That house is now so far underwater that refinancing is not an option.  Because I have to retire and have surgeries (which bring bills of their own, even with our insurance), we can no longer afford the house payments, even if my husband kept working.  We have tried every conceivable option to get the bank to work with us on our mortgage; but they refuse, and (in hindsight) why should they, when we’ve never missed a payment?  We would be better off if we HAD been slackers and missing payments and in debt and behind on everything; THEN they might have helped us!

 

What type of ethics do you people have?  The kind that allows us to work our backsides off for 50 years, make one bad mistake in judgment that ruins us financially, and still try to defend ourselves as we face ridicule and scorn from obviously ‘perfect’ people who feel free to look down their supercilious noses at us, and compelled to point out our many deficiencies.  Unfortunately, MY ethics won’t allow me to turn the tables and point out how sad it is that yours encourage you to be so unkind. 

 

 

10/04/2010 2:10 PM
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freedom2speak...ques​tion for you.  When home values were going up up up a few years back, were banks coming back and putting higher mortgages on the houses because the home had appreciated in value????

 

It goes both ways, you see?  In my opinion, people who "strategically default" should not only get sued, but should be thrown in jail. 

10/04/2010 1:57 PM
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Appraiser Phil " In addition, they stripped the kitchen bare of everything.  Bank is now selling an "as-is" home for $780,000.  I will never be able to refinance my mortgage with "criminals" like this."

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While I hope the bank does go after your neighbor, I have to ask why you want to refinance? If it is just for a lower interest rate, ok. Most people though are looking to get cash and it is people like that that caused a lot of these problems. It isn't an ATM. Pay the mortgage for 30 years and then own it free and clear. If you owe a bank $0, they can't take it from you.

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