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Women in Red

Refinancing: When is it worth it?

The siren song of a sub-5% mortgage is tough to ignore. But how does the math pencil out? Plus: The 'behavioral budget' and the woes of the world's overworked women.

By MP Dunleavey
MSN Money

With today's low-again interest rates batting their eyes at me, it's tempting to refinance our mortgage from a 30-year fixed loan to a 15-year -- which is prancing around wearing nothing but 4.5% interest.

But refinancing needs to offer tangible savings to make up for what it costs. To get a 1.25-percentage-point reduction in our current rate of 5.75%, we'd have to pay about $2,500 in closing costs. And because of the shorter term, our monthly payment would increase by $304.

The thing is, our son just turned 3, and my husband and I had the scary realization that college is a mere 15 years away. Wouldn't it be nice to have our mortgage dead and buried by the time he starts freshman English?

Obviously, we can't put off other priorities, such as building up our emergency fund or saving for a looming home repair. Yet, now that I've done the math, it seems equally important to put more aside so we can spare ourselves nearly $100,000 in interest payments.

Of course, I have to be realistic. Money is really tight right now, and we are only halfway to our goal of saving $15,000 in our emergency fund by the end of 2009. Perhaps I need to adjust my goals to be in sync with our current finances. On the other hand, I tend to push harder -- and save more -- when I set the bar high.

We have a couple of options: Spend the money to refinance. Or simply make a bigger mortgage payment each month, a sort of do-it-yourself refi. Which is cheaper?

To run the numbers I used a refinancing calculator and a basic mortgage payment calculator that allows you to see the amortization chart (i.e., how different payments play out over a period of years). Here are the results and the case for each:

30-year fixed loan15-year fixed loanStepping up loan payments

Interest rate

5.75%

4.50%

5.75%

Monthly payment

$1,050

$1,354

$1,354

Year mortgage paid off

2037

2024

2026

Total interest paid

$198,155

$66,763

$100,297

Refinancing:

  • With a 15-year mortgage, we'd save more -- a whopping $131,392 in interest payments, about $33,000 more than what we'd save by paying extra each month under our existing loan.

  • We'd be forced to stick to the plan. The disadvantage of a do-it-yourself plan is human weakness. Would we stick to such a big payment ($1,600 a month including escrow) if we had a choice?

  • Mortgage freedom comes earlier. If we did a do-it-yourself refi, we'd still be making mortgage payments until our son's junior year and possibly longer (see "human weakness," above).

Stepping up payments on the current loan:

  • Doing it ourselves, we'd save about $2,500 in closing costs upfront.

  • We would still be spared nearly $98,000 in interest payments over the long term.

  • Because it's not a new loan, we wouldn't be locked into a monthly payment increase. If we hit a rough patch, we could scale back.

  • There's no additional paperwork!

Our lender made the final call. He said that in order to get the lowest rate on a 15-year loan, we'd have to pay a point -- and it would take many years to recoup all the costs. (Compare mortgage rates.) In his opinion -- as a loan officer, homeowner and father -- the do-it-yourself method would probably be the best compromise between manageable payments now and big savings down the road.

Now the test begins: Effective Nov. 1, we embark on our DIY refi. Follow my progress on the Women in Red message board.

To save big, budget your actions

Years ago, Paul McCartney wondered whether we'd had enough of silly love songs. Lately I feel that way about budgeting Web sites: Do we really need 60,000 of them?

Then again, there's always a need for a fresh take on money management. I just signed up for a new site called Thrive and think it offers an intriguing perspective for those of us who (still) struggle to keep our spending under control. (See "How much you should spend on . . .")

All money management sites are designed to show you how much you spend in certain categories: gas, eating out, etc. Thrive has expanded on this basic functionality by creating a "behavioral budget."

Here's how it works: As with other sites, you set your spending goals for the month ($200 on gas, $400 on groceries, etc.). Then, as the month unfolds, Thrive shows you not just how much money you have left but how many purchases you can make in that category, based on your spending history.

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For example: My goal for October was to spend $500 on groceries. Based on how often we shop and the average amount we spend per trip, Thrive informed me that we could hit Price Chopper about 10 times.

When I edited my grocery goal down to $400 instead of $500, Thrive allotted me just seven shopping trips.

That was an eye-opener. I knew that we tended toward smaller, more frequent trips. But going to the grocery store so often was probably encouraging us to spend more. How could it not? The most basic commandment of spending control is: Stay out of stores, dude.

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What's smart and potentially effective about Thrive's behavioral budget is that it reminds you that a spending plan isn't solely about money but about actions. If you really want to rein in your spending, it helps to get an overview of what you're doing -- then do it differently.

If we organized ourselves to do our food shopping no more than once a week, we'd likely save not only money but a bit of gas and a chunk of time, too. Now that's a valuable gain, financially and otherwise.

Continued: What do women want?

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Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:15:49 AM
What was this article about????????? Not pros and cons of refi.  Author was all over the place with her own financial woes.  Useless!
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:06:18 AM
I agree with you "gr89er", it came to my attention the title about when is the right time to refinance a house but the author focused more about economic family issues and his son college expense which it is nothing to do with real estate finance.
Well after all, the only good thing about it, it's that I got the website for the personal finances.
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:16:34 AM
Under "scale back if we need to", which I would call a major major plus of the send-extra-principal alternative, let's just consider where local real estate taxes may be headed (up, up, and up). The feds and states are pushing more and more costs down to localities. Not only are the numbers scary, the fact that these potential increases are so unpredictable is scary too. After years & years of moderate increases, my local real estate taxes have gone up 50% since 2000.
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:53:19 AM
There's quite a few articles, including on MSN with Liz P-W, that illustrate why you should not try to pay off the mortgage early-- especially at the rate you have on a 30 year fixed.  What are your thoughts on the differing logic?  (I tend to "side" with Liz)
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:40:33 AM

A few months ago, my wife and I refinanced our home loan from 5 7/8 to 4 5/8. We also added money to the pot to get it down to conforming. We'll recoup the difference in a few years from the reduced mortgage payment.

 

We had enough cash on hand to actually pay the house off, but I'm doing way better in the stock market than the 4-5/8's rate we have. Also, we needed the cash to make a down payment on a second home, where my in-laws will be living, and to put enough into a bond fund to make the second home's mortgage payment.

 

As far as real estate taxes, I voted for Prop 13 in CA umpteen years ago. Its kept our property taxes down, and thus state spending down. Without it, I'm not sure anyone could afford to live in CA. (Renters pay property taxes in the form of higher rents.)

Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:04:59 PM
I'd politely suggest you are comparing apples to oranges here. Remember your stated goal - pay off your house by the time your child starts college - 15 years. Since this time frame is your stated primary goal, you should be figuring your needed payments in your own refi with that time frame. What does that payment look like and can you afford it? If you can't, then you should re-look at the 15 year refi through the bank.
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:49:59 PM
Focus on your core argument and support it with facts or opinions you are rambling here...  If anything you are supporting that women should not be in your line of work.
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:51:47 PM
Focus on your core argument and support it with facts or even opinions.
You are all over the place here... If anything the only point you make is maybe women should not be doing your job.

Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:18:09 PM

                        Just how low are the taxes, if the escrow is only

$245 more than PI? I need to move there.

Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:06:56 PM
MPD - I understand what you're trying to do, though I'm not part of the WIR.  I feel like we're taking extreme measures these days to protect our assets ... more so than we did in the recent past. The state of affairs in this current global economy necessitates that we reconsider our financial goals and prioritize our spending. We also recently calculated a refi using a similar method with the same results - although the factors were different. My spouse plans to retire in 8 yrs, so our goal is to be mortgage free by that time. With 21 yrs left on the mortgage, we thought a refi would be the answer. In the end, the best case scenario for us was to continue making additional principal payments each month and a decision to retire at age 69 (instead of 66), means that a few years of Soc. Security income added to  regular monthly income will help to pay off the mortgage by his retirement date (lets hope SSI will still be there!).  We also increased our Emergency Fund goal to 12 months instead of 3 (to be reached by June 2010) while still making regular contributions to retirement plans (albeit somewhat temporarily reduced until the EF is fully funded). We also re-balanced our retirement funds in early March and it has since recovered. So, all these savings does indeed take a huge bite out of our monthly budget and limits our spending ability - hence the need to cut overhead costs and the like. But, it does seem that these accelerated efforts to increase savings and reduce spending on a larger scale creates somewhat of a dilemma for the recovery of the overall economy. Still, it will help to preserve our planet and reduce the waste of our natural resources. So, I applaud all the WIR and congratulations on sticking to your efforts to meet your financial goals; in the end, there is a silver lining. You'll be better able to meet your future needs.  
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